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re: Phil Ivey accused of cheating
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:28 pm to vodkacop
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:28 pm to vodkacop
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the cards should be disposed of after each day's play, but Ivey apparently managed to convince the casino to keep the cards in play.
How does this not alarm the casino to a possible problem with the card?
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:29 pm to shel311
Is there any other activity in America where you are legally penalized for thinking?
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:35 pm to Master of Sinanju
Yeah I thought most casino's got rid of cards after like an hour of play. How exactly did he go on a 3 day bender taking advantage of the same deck. What kind of mickey mouse casino is this.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:36 pm to Kafka
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Is there any other activity in America where you are legally penalized for thinking?
again, not sure if serious.
WTF are you bringing up American laws and the Constitution when THIS HAPPENED IN ENGLAND?
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:36 pm to beaverfever
quote:Ivey's probably been spanning the globe looking for a casino like this his whole life lol.
Yeah I thought most casino's got rid of cards after like an hour of play. How exactly did he go on a 3 day bender taking advantage of the same deck. What kind of mickey mouse casino is this
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:36 pm to Kafka
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Is there any other activity in America where you are legally penalized for thinking?
Usually anything involving government.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:37 pm to Master of Sinanju
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the cards should be disposed of after each day's play, but Ivey apparently managed to convince the casino to keep the cards in play.?
He probably pulled this when he was down half a million. They were probably more than happy to comply with his request. Idiots.
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:37 pm to Kafka
Card counting is fine if you just do the thinking part... when you actually apply your thoughts to improve your betting outcomes then the casino takes notice.
FWIW - the casino is within their rights to throw out card counters after they detect them IMO, but they still should have to pay out whatever bets were made prior. I've always found the casino argument that gambling is engaging in a "game of chance" dishonest. Granted there is a chance of winning in the short term but if you play their games as they intend you play them for long enough there's no real chance you come out ahead.
FWIW - the casino is within their rights to throw out card counters after they detect them IMO, but they still should have to pay out whatever bets were made prior. I've always found the casino argument that gambling is engaging in a "game of chance" dishonest. Granted there is a chance of winning in the short term but if you play their games as they intend you play them for long enough there's no real chance you come out ahead.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:44 pm to molsusports
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FWIW - the casino is within their rights to throw out card counters after they detect them IMO, but they still should have to pay out whatever bets were made prior.
Depends on the locality.
Vegas will throw them out. Atlantic City, OTOH, is not allowed to throw them out due to a NJ Supreme Court ruling but will intentionally do things to disrupt them, such as adding more decks to the shoe, shuffling more frequently, etc.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:48 pm to teke184
Is card counting still actually happening. Don't most casinos use like 8 deck shoots and shuffle all the time.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:52 pm to beaverfever
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Is card counting still actually happening. Don't most casinos use like 8 deck shoots and shuffle all the time.
It still happens, but usually with teams instead of with individuals.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:54 pm to shel311
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A car dealership can't accept $25K for a new car and then not give me the new car and keep my money because they realized the car was worth $50K.
If you buy it on Ebay they can.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 1:56 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Counting cards inst illegal
just frowned upon
Posted on 5/13/13 at 2:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
So inspectors are watching the game...and they have 9 cameras on him...
So his Asian companion who is banned in Casinos in Europe is asking the dealer to rotate the cards 180 degrees "because of superstition."
He goes up 2.3 mil at the end of the day...
and persuades the Caisno to hold the shoe with his rotated cards to play the next day.
This dealer reminds me of the movie Casino...
"You didn't think it was odd the slots would hit 3 times in one hour? Either he was in on it or too fricking stupid."
So his Asian companion who is banned in Casinos in Europe is asking the dealer to rotate the cards 180 degrees "because of superstition."
He goes up 2.3 mil at the end of the day...
and persuades the Caisno to hold the shoe with his rotated cards to play the next day.
This dealer reminds me of the movie Casino...
"You didn't think it was odd the slots would hit 3 times in one hour? Either he was in on it or too fricking stupid."
Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:02 am to TreyAnastasio
Sure they can refuse you by not letting you in, but its a long stretch to say they can refuse you after they already knew you were there and losing, then win.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 2:12 am to Kafka
Applying for cop jobs lol
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:10 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Phil Ivey is kinda like Rain Man when it comes to his powers of observation. There's a reason -- beyond just being able to calculate odds -- that he's considered the best poker player in the world.
Which ranks up there, with the best Landscaper, Best Window Washer, Best COD player, etc.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 7:29 am to SeeeeK
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Which ranks up there, with the best Landscaper, Best Window Washer, Best COD player, etc.
Explain? Guaranteed the top 1,000 professional poker players make at least 4 times what you do in a year and that's with me not knowing what you do. All to play a Game!
You seem to be one of "those guys" that say "but how much did you lose" when someone says they won $1k at the casino.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 7:38 am to lance814
Poker is not a sport and does not belong on the MSB
Posted on 5/14/13 at 9:06 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Poker is not a sport and does not belong on the MSB
:kige:
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