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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So you didn't agree with the NCAA's ruling against USC or OSU?
Not at all.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:23 pm to RollTide1987
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I highly doubt Penn State chose to commit economic suicide if these sanctions are as bad as rumored.
I think they would knowing how much worse it could be if the NCAA camped out in Happy Valley and found more then just what was related to this specific case.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If they're getting hit with lack of institutional control it's more than an assumption.
Well if they're hiding more than a cover-up then where is the proof?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:24 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Don't be surprised when the Middle State Commission on Higher Education wades into the fray.
I referenced it earlier, but Penn State defenders don't want to discuss that.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:25 pm to PowerTool
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I referenced it earlier, but Penn State defenders don't want to discuss that.
Well it isn't really relevant to the NCAA/PSU discussion about NCAA penalties. If you want to discuss their loss of accreditation then start a new thread.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:25 pm to genro
Playing college football at Penn State is not a "constitutional right" (your words) and everyone is owning you on this. If you can't understand this, just quit talking about it and go read a book.
No, that wasn't what I said at all. I said not every right is explicitly stated in the constitution. Having a right does not mean you have the ability to do it. We all have the right to be any profession we want, but most people aren't cut out for it.
You are confusing right with ability.
No, that wasn't what I said at all. I said not every right is explicitly stated in the constitution. Having a right does not mean you have the ability to do it. We all have the right to be any profession we want, but most people aren't cut out for it.
You are confusing right with ability.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:25 pm to Srbtiger06
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Well if they're hiding more than a cover-up then where is the proof?
Ask the NCAA who is imposing the penalty? I'm sure their report will be out there in detail come tomorrow.
And how many programs have had the NCAA
come knocking for one issue and had them find multiple violations in multiple sports? I can't think of any recently that haven't.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:25 pm to Srbtiger06
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It was silly to punish the program for their actions.
The NCAA can't just let those violations go unpunished. Leaders of these programs and institutions know what the rules are and what the penalties can be. It puts future leaders on notice. Besides, NCAA violations, I'm pretty sure, are standard in coaching contracts for dismissal. Coaches have a financial interest to not to break NCAA rules.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:26 pm to TheSexecutioner
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It just irks me that people have a go at student athletes because they have a good deal going. In reality, they get screwed over more than anybody else in the country. Find me another "job" where somebody gets paid so little(scholarship, stipend, etc) vs the amount of money they generate and thus the value they would get on an open market.
He made a comment mocking the "poor student athletes who get a full scholarship to play football"
Me and everyone who's ever had to work and scrap to pay their way through college while also working a full-time job wants to punch you in the face right now.
If playing college sports is so terrible, why do they do it? No one's making them.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If they're getting hit with lack of institutional control it's more than an assumption.
You're arguing with someone who has done zero research, has read none of the news coverage, and has zero familiarity with the nature of the NCAA.
He really thinks we're making all this stuff up.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think they would knowing how much worse it could be if the NCAA camped out in Happy Valley and found more then just what was related to this specific case.
Dude...I don't think even the death penalty could hurt as much as what they are about to get slammed with.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:27 pm to TheSexecutioner
It does suck for these PSU kids that committed because they will lose out on the bowl experience if these sanctions are handed down like it looks like they will. Although hopefully, I will never have to go to Orlando again to see LSU lose to Penn State in 3 feet of mud on the field.
I think the NCAA is going to have to allow a per diem or something similar because they don't allow the kids to work. Something has to change in this regard.
I think the NCAA is going to have to allow a per diem or something similar because they don't allow the kids to work. Something has to change in this regard.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:29 pm to RollTide1987
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Dude...I don't think even the death penalty could hurt as much as what they are about to get slammed with.
Maybe not. Not if they found violations in multiple programs (which they almost always do).
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:30 pm to Rocket
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The NCAA can't just let those violations go unpunished.
They're in a tough spot as a non-profit. It is pretty shitty to punish USC and the AD for years for actions of Bush/Carroll/others. I would be all for the NCAA being able to fine institutions based on a clear cut set of rules.
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Besides, NCAA violations, I'm pretty sure, are standard in coaching contracts for dismissal. Coaches have a financial interest to not to break NCAA rules.
If the coach is involved, the school has an out and the coach loses his job. If a player is involved then revoke his eligibility. Why punish the rest of the team though? In USC's case, why hit them 5+ years after the fact when the entire team had turned over?
I don't disagree with bylaws/sanctions/rules etc. I just don't like the idea of punishing an entire program for the acts of a few.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:30 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I think the NCAA is going to have to allow a per diem or something similar because they don't allow the kids to work. Something has to change in this regard.
Yes, because $100K- $200K of free education and room and board just isn't enough!
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:30 pm to acgeaux129
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Do track athletes produce net revenue for LSU?
How much do Olympians get paid?
I don't understand the first question. The track program as a whole does not directly produce net revenue for LSU. It's hard to estimate its effect on the overall athletic revenue though. Get rid of the track program, and see what happens to the image of LSU sports, and thus football, as a whole.
Get rid of the track program and Ricky Jean-Francois, Bennie Brazell, Trindon Holliday, Xavier Carter, Kavarha Holmes, and Jeryl Brazel probably go elsewhere. So there is an effect.
Not sure on how much Olympians make. It's highly variable based on shoe contracts and prize money. I would assume LoLo Jones easily makes 7 figures but I don't know
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:31 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I think the NCAA is going to have to allow a per diem or something similar because they don't allow the kids to work. Something has to change in this regard.
I'm pretty sure they do.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:32 pm to PowerTool
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You're arguing with someone who has done zero research, has read none of the news coverage, and has zero familiarity with the nature of the NCAA.
You keep throwing this shite out there with absolutely zero argument and zero points to make. Either come up with some substance or frick off. TIA.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:32 pm to Srbtiger06
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If they just HAD to handle it then I suppose. Regardless, Bush and Pete had moved on. It was silly to punish the program for their actions.
So USC, the institution, is allowed to cheat and receive the benefits of that cheating without any consequences whatsoever as long as all individuals directly involved are no longer present (whether it be from being fired, resigning, exhausting eligibility, etc) when they get caught, or when the investigation is concluded? Do you honestly not see the big arse can of worms that opens?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:34 pm to Srbtiger06
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Well it isn't really relevant to the NCAA/PSU discussion about NCAA penalties. If you want to discuss their loss of accreditation then start a new thread.
You don't know why their accreditation is going to be reviewed, do you?
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