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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:35 pm to Srbtiger06
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:35 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:You are so concerned about the poor innocent football players who have to transfer. They'll be fine. Hell, they'll be better off.
Srbtiger06
The larger point is, who cares? Don't you understand that at this point football doesn't matter anymore? Don't you get that? This is bigger than football. Who gives a flying frick about football? At Penn State University, the football program directly allowed children to get anally raped repeatedly over 4 decades. Football is not that important. Don't you get that? Do you just have absolutely nothing remotely approaching perspective?
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:35 pm to fightingtiger2335
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was the program corrupt? You said we don't have experience with a corrupt program. If so...then if not...then you don't have the experience either. I still don't think rubbing another guys nuts so he doesn't have to go pay for a happy ending means you were in the shite.
Yes. As are a lot of programs. Unfortunately not everyone gets caught.
So how many athletic departments have you worked for again?
Rubbing another guys nuts? That's a mature response. Don't ask a question if you don't want to be made to look like an arse over it. You see plenty when you're with a program in practices, on the sideline, and etc day in and day out.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:35 pm to RollTide1987
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So it is your opinion that if the school and the AD isn't hammered for mistakes made by men who have already paid for them that they will return to their kiddy raping ways in 3-4 years? Give me a break, pal.
Buddy - Go read the FREEH report and get back to everyone on your findings. This was a report requested, paid for, and released by Penn State. This was no witch hunt. It goes thru and details the systematic a cover-up, how Paterno actively sought to be the ultimate authority regarding all discipline involving his players. The report also highlighted several other troubling questions that fell outside of the original contracted scope.
After you read that report, start connecting the dots between the University, the then DA and States Atty General (now Governor), the Board of Trustees, and the Board of Second Mile. Go and dig deep in to the inter-twined relationships between all of these entities and you will quickly see why the NCAA needs to do something NOW - Not a year or years from now after the FEDS complete their unraveling.
The quicker you see this is not just about football the quicker you will stop looking like a total arse.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:35 pm to MOT
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Because the NCAA doesn't have the authority to prosecute or charge anyone with a crime, maybe.....?
The Freeh report has nothing to do with the NCAA. He is asserting that tons of people are guilty just because they were named (as aliases) in the report. I was asking him why those people have not been prosecuted or charged if the report is to be taken as gospel.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:36 pm to Srbtiger06
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Fine the frick out of the university.
And you think that won't punish innocent people?
If you think that any fines or lawsuits won't eventually be paid by fans you are naive.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:37 pm to Srbtiger06
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Fine the frick out of the university.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they have the power to fine schools. They could put penalties in place that have the same affect as fining them (no TV, etc.) but then that goes against your stance of punishing a team instead of individuals. Plus fining the university could potentially cause budget cuts, in turn affecting innocent people.
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This might be a shocker but...they can't. End of story. They don't have that power so why do something just for the sake of doing something?
So basically your stance is to ban involved individuals from the NCAA and nothing more? That could get tricky trying to determine the level of involvement of potentially dozens or more of individuals and assessing different penalties to each of them.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:37 pm to genro
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The larger point is, who cares? Don't you understand that at this point football doesn't matter anymore? Don't you get that? This is bigger than football. Who gives a flying frick about football? At Penn State University, the football program directly allowed children to get anally raped repeatedly over 4 decades? Football is not that important. Don't you get that? Do you just have absolutely nothing remotely approaching perspective?
It makes you wonder about the mentality of these guys defending Penn St.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:37 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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The quicker you see this is not just about football the quicker you will stop looking like a total arse.
This isn't about football at all, and this is why the NCAA should not be getting themselves involved in this.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:37 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Don't ask a question if you don't want to be made to look like an arse over it. You see plenty when you're with a program in practices, on the sideline, and etc day in and day out.
I did say if it was corrupt
Why ignore the part that was nice? Always looking for a fight
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:38 pm to RollTide1987
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Can you name these people who still remain at Penn State or are they the anonymous people in the Freeh report who could have sued him for libel if his allegations against them weren't true?
All but one of the Current Board of Trustees, The Current Governor, Several Athletic Department Staffers, Janitors A&B, The Current DA of Happy Valley, Etc, Etc. Etc. - Dude, pull your head out of your arse
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:38 pm to Srbtiger06
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Why not fine them?
The NCAA does not issue fines.
Again, it's like you've never foliaged college sports at all and just woke up today determined to tell everyone what they should think about Penn State.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:38 pm to Srbtiger06
For all the idiots defending Penn State, WTF???...
The University AND FOOTBALL PROGRAM harbored a pedophile allowing him to use the football program as a lure for his sexual fantasies. That is f'd up and deserves the ultimate punishment.
Was Sandusky punished? Yes. Were other people involved in the cover up punished? Yes
BUT...there was also a failure to monitor by the University and Board of Trustees. Penn State ultimately let the AD and Joe P. run things without any oversight. That's the issue here and what they are going to be punished for. You can't let your football coach run things without any monitoring in place. I feel like you people defending Penn State have not read one thing about the Freeh report and it's findings. If you have read the report and choose to ignore them, then I'd like to ask what evidence you are using to ignore those findings. Again, the Freeh report did not just blame specific people, but also the BOARD OF TRUSTEES as a whole. That sounds like failure to monitor if you ask me.
The University AND FOOTBALL PROGRAM harbored a pedophile allowing him to use the football program as a lure for his sexual fantasies. That is f'd up and deserves the ultimate punishment.
Was Sandusky punished? Yes. Were other people involved in the cover up punished? Yes
BUT...there was also a failure to monitor by the University and Board of Trustees. Penn State ultimately let the AD and Joe P. run things without any oversight. That's the issue here and what they are going to be punished for. You can't let your football coach run things without any monitoring in place. I feel like you people defending Penn State have not read one thing about the Freeh report and it's findings. If you have read the report and choose to ignore them, then I'd like to ask what evidence you are using to ignore those findings. Again, the Freeh report did not just blame specific people, but also the BOARD OF TRUSTEES as a whole. That sounds like failure to monitor if you ask me.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:38 pm to Zukitiger
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It makes you wonder about the mentality of these guys defending Penn St.
Not a one of us is defending Penn State. My concern is for the people who aren't even associated with the university who will suffer when those sanctions are handed down tomorrow.
Who are these men involved in the cover up that remain? What are their names? And if they are so complicit, why did they remain aliases in the Freeh report?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:39 pm to genro
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Football is not that important.
thats the point. genius...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:39 pm to RollTide1987
The bottom line is that no NCAA rules were even broken by Penn State.
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NCAA expert Michael Buckner: "If the media reports are true, then the NCAA has charted an unprecedented, and perhaps unconstitutional course of action...the issues facing Penn State are best left in the expert hands of the criminal and civil courts. The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals. The NCAA is not adhering to its existing enforcement processes and procedures. The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:39 pm to Addison Tiger
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failure to monitor if you ask me.
my god if you're going to use ESPN and lynch mob talking points come up with something better than this as your ending.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:40 pm to loweralabamatrojan
So, answer me this, Mr.S.Cal. With the Reggie Bush scandal being so drawn out, with your theory, there should have been no penalties simply because, 4-5 yrs later, no current players were involved. Usually, no NCAA sanctions come down immediately, many can & do take yrs, so, with your theory, again, no penalties should ever be issued. Do the crime, draw it out, and nothing ever happens. What world do you live in?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:40 pm to genro
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You are so concerned about the poor innocent football players who have to transfer. They'll be fine. Hell, they'll be better off.
Tip of the iceberg. Football struggles = AD struggles. It hurts other programs. It hurts employees. It's far reaching.
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The larger point is, who cares? Don't you understand that at this point football doesn't matter anymore? Don't you get that? This is bigger than football. Who gives a flying frick about football?
Did I say football mattered or did I say "hundreds of lives will be affected"? Read, dick.
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At Penn State University, the football program directly allowed children to get anally raped repeatedly over 4 decades?
No, it didn't. Individuals allowed it. Results on the field, the player's grades, the guy selling peanuts had no bearing on children getting raped. If this happened at GM we wouldn't say "THE CHEVROLET DIVISION LET PEOPLE GET RAPED!!!". We would say "some sick fricks allowed this to happen." Same thing here. People in power let it happen. How/why they got that power is irrelevant.
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Football is not that important. Don't you get that? Do you just have absolutely nothing remotely approaching perspective?
Again, aside from a SMALL portion of the people I've mentioned being players, show me where I've put football on a pedestal.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:40 pm to Addison Tiger
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For all the idiots defending Penn State, WTF???..
link to anyone defending them?
the debate is on what punishment, if any, is appropriate considering the circumstances...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:40 pm to RollTide1987
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Not a one of us is defending Penn State. My concern is for the people who aren't even associated with the university who will suffer when those sanctions are handed down tomorrow.
Who that isn't associated with the University will be punished?
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