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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Who that isn't associated with the University will be punished?
The private businesses that surround the campus who depend on football to keep their business going. If the sanctions are as severe as rumored, it might have been better for PSU to have gotten the death penalty. The sanctions will kill the economy of the area and a lot of people will end up losing their jobs.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:44 pm to Srbtiger06
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No, it didn't. Individuals allowed it. Results on the field, the player's grades, the guy selling peanuts had no bearing on children getting raped. If this happened at GM we wouldn't say "THE CHEVROLET DIVISION LET PEOPLE GET RAPED!!!". We would say "some sick fricks allowed this to happen." Same thing here. People in power let it happen. How/why they got that power is irrelevant.
You're making the broad assumption that over 50 years only 5-6 people were involved.
As for the guy selling peanuts, that's a risk you take. I'm sure he enjoyed the profit when Penn State was facilitating Sandusky and winning plenty of ballgames.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:44 pm to Srbtiger06
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Well I doubt they're getting them on recruiting violations. The general consensus is the ethics/morality clause or lack of institutional control. That's what is being discussed.
Well if you know what's going on then cite the bylaw that was violated and the specific examples of the case the NCAA is using to say the bylaw was violated.
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NOBODY is arguing that they violated some morality clause. The clause is entirely too open-ended to argue. The argument is whether or not punishing them is bullshite. Keep up.
Cite the open ended clause the NCAA says Penn State is in violation of. I've seen several uninformed people like you bitch about all these "innocent people" getting hammered by the NCAA. I haven't seen anyone make an argument as to why Penn State University, a member institution of the NCAA, should not be punished by the NCAA for violating rules.
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Again, that's the argument
If you want to argue that, fine. But that has nothing to do with this specific case.
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If you're that obtuse about it then yes, it does go back to that.
You made the argument, not me.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:45 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Where are all you people coming from with all this vast experience?
Not all of us are teenagers making random assertions to try to score points on the internet.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:46 pm to Srbtiger06
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Yes, because as soon as they write the check everyone will forget. Punishing them based on any sort of ethics or morality clause sends the message that 'hey if we don't like what you're doing...frick you'. That grants too much power.
Oh I see now. Shame on the NCAA. They have no right to do anything in this case. If PSU wants to cover up child rape, so be it. No one should have a moral code to live by. Plus, Sandusky was just expressing himself in a manner that was ok in the old Roman society. Rape on PSU, rape on.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm sure he enjoyed the profit when Penn State was facilitating Sandusky and winning plenty of ballgames.
Wow...why don't you feed the guy selling peanuts this little line? I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You're making the broad assumption that over 50 years only 5-6 people were involved.
Where can I find information that says otherwise?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:47 pm to PowerTool
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Not all of us are teenagers making random assertions to try to score points on the internet.
YOu insulted me. And just because I like to buy teenagers beer and then take advantage of them means i'm a teenager myself.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:48 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Oh I see now. Shame on the NCAA. They have no right to do anything in this case.
No, they really don't. An NCAA expert even weighed in on this and said that they are really reaching into unconstitutional territory here.
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If PSU wants to cover up child rape, so be it.
You really are quite daft for your age. I may be young but I do have common sense. No one is saying they should get away with it. The job of prosecuting and punishing the men who facilitated this is for the police, not the NCAA.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:48 pm to RollTide1987
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The private businesses that surround the campus who depend on football to keep their business going. If the sanctions are as severe as rumored, it might have been better for PSU to have gotten the death penalty. The sanctions will kill the economy of the area and a lot of people will end up losing their jobs.
Lots of people lost jobs during the economic downturn. Fight through it and push on.
You might as well have quoted Jay Paterno.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You're making the broad assumption that over 50 years only 5-6 people were involved.
I'm missing something here. First actual reports were 97 weren't they? First accusations in the mid/late 70s? So we're talking til 2025 or so? Stop sensationalising.
Suppose it was 50 people over that time. Now put that in perspective with all the SAs and people involved with the AD over that time period. You're still talking about a small amount.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:49 pm to RollTide1987
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This isn't about football at all,
That was the entire reason for the cover up to begin with. How can that not be about football? The Athletic Dept continued to allow Second Mile to use its facilities, which allowed the abuse to continue. How can that not be about Football?
All of this was done in an effort to shield the Athletic Dept and Penn State Football from huge Financial Fallout if it was discovered? How can that not be about Football?
The University - Thru it's Athletic Dept - Has raised nearly $200MM in a defense fund to help defray any civil litigation - How can that not be about football?
A Football Game was the reason Sandusky drug a little boy half way around the country, his wife FULLY AWARE of the situation (Sun Bowl - San Antonio) - How can you say PSU Football is not involved?
The B1G Commissioner has gone bat $hit crazy trying to deflect the real issues involving power and Athletics - How can that not be about Football?
Football and BIG Business are both to blame here- Politics are to blame here. Just wait until Second Mile starts to get brought into this.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:50 pm to RollTide1987
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The private businesses that surround the campus who depend on football to keep their business going. If the sanctions are as severed as rumored, it might have been better for PSU to have gotten the death penalty. The sanctions will kill the economy of the area and a lot of people will end up losing their jobs.
That's a risk that's taken in supporting a major program in that manner unfortunately. Or opening a business period. They certainly didn't mind the benefits while Penn State maintained their popularity while facilitating a pedophile.
And FTR, as a fan of a school who has had a program punished multiple times you can bounce back from it. No one was crying for the Lexington economy when Kentucky has been dealt apt punishment for breaking NCAA rules.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Lots of people lost jobs during the economic downturn. Fight through it and push on.
You're a cold hearted son of a bitch, you know that?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:51 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Oh I see now. Shame on the NCAA. They have no right to do anything in this case.
God damn you're obtuse. They have every right to. Nobody is saying they don't. The argument is how reactionary they're being.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:51 pm to genro
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So the NCAA should make a decision like this based on something that you yourself called "impossible to prove"?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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They certainly didn't mind the benefits while Penn State maintained their popularity while facilitating a pedophile.
So you're insinuating that these business people wouldn't have said anything either had they known about Sandusky? You people are crazed and beyond reason.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:52 pm to genro
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Also, that Michael Buckner guy makes his living defending cheating programs in their appeals against the NCAA. So of course he would say that shite. You might as well have quoted Jay Paterno.
What NCAA rule did Penn State violate?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:52 pm to volfan30
quote:I didn't call the Freeh report impossible to prove. I called the vast number of people associated with Penn State football who knew about the rapes and did nothing impossible to prove.
So the NCAA should make a decision like this based on something that you yourself called "impossible to prove"?
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