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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:15 pm to Gmorgan4982
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:15 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The NCAA is the one saying that people violated their bylaws. They should find these people, do an investigation, and punish them. The NCAA doesn't do this, though. It collectively punishes and often punishes innocent people while doing nothing to the guilty. Expect for that to happen once again tomorrow.
You're assuming that everything tomorrow will be imposed by the NCAA. Having read a good deal about President Erickson, I'm assuming that everything tomorrow will have been proposed by PSU administration and agreed by the NCAA.
It also explains the somewhat quick timing of the presser.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:16 pm to RollTide1987
But the university didn't cheat it was the coach....right? 
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:16 pm to Srbtiger06
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There is no argument from anyone on the legal grounds of things. The argument is the NCAA deciding to hammer lots of innocent people for the hell of it. They're ruling on morality.
They're ruling on morality because they have ethics bylaws. It's the same reason a program
can fire a coach for violating the moral clause of his contract. Being a drunk bastard may not get you locked up (unless it's a DUI) but being drunk enough to not perform your duties outlined in your contract can.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:17 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The NCAA is the one saying that people violated their bylaws.
What do you mean "the one?" The NCAA is an organization composed of member institutions, enforcing rules created by member institutions, one of which is Penn State University.
It's as if some of you never went to college, never had any involvement in collegiate athletics, never even followed college football, and just woke up today and decided to issue pronouncements about the Penn State situation.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:17 pm to Srbtiger06
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The argument is the NCAA deciding to hammer lots of innocent people for the hell of it. They're ruling on morality.
The NCAA will cite Penn State and will punish Penn State for violating NCAA bylaws...just like it has done with other member institutions in all its violation cases prior to this one.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:17 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I meant the people involved in the rape stuff were at PSU.
Define involved. It's a slippery slope.
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People at PSU hired rapist and people that covered for rapists to run the football program.
Was he a known and/or convicted rapist when hired? If not then it is disingenuous to say they 'hired a rapist and people covering for one'. After the fact came to light I agree with you, the NCAA should deal with them. The problem is that they aren't.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:18 pm to PowerTool
quote:The ones who say "the guilty people are already gone" are the best. They know absolutely nothing about this case, but still have strong opinions to give.
It's as if some of you never went to college, never had any involvement in collegiate athletics, never even followed college football, and just woke up today and decided to issue pronouncements about the Penn State situation.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:19 pm to Srbtiger06
No. The guy only raped kids after he was hired and they STILL kept him.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:19 pm to MOT
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The NCAA will cite Penn State and will punish Penn State for violating NCAA bylaws...just like it has done with other member institutions in all its violation cases prior to this one.
No, they've punished other members for violating clear cut rules of paying players, point shaving, etc. "Morality clause" is open for interpretation.
I disagree with them punishing institutions rather than individuals regardless though. Same with USC, SMU, or whatever other team.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:20 pm to genro
Sorry lead investigator.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:21 pm to genro
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The ones who say "the guilty people are already gone" are the best. They know absolutely nothing about this case, but still have strong opinions to give.
Can you name these people who still remain at Penn State or are they the anonymous people in the Freeh report who could have sued him for libel if his allegations against them weren't true?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:21 pm to genro
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The ones who say "the guilty people are already gone" are the best. They know absolutely nothing about this case, but still have strong opinions to give.
Can you please tell me why everyone mentioned in the Freeh report has not been prosecuted if they are guilty as you have said?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:21 pm to Srbtiger06
FWIW, there's also information in the Freeh report about how Penn State football failed to implement sexual harassment and abuse training that was required by the NCAA.
I'm anxious to hear how they shouldn't be punished for that.
I'm anxious to hear how they shouldn't be punished for that.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:21 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The NCAA is the one saying that people violated their bylaws. They should find these people, do an investigation, and punish them. The NCAA doesn't do this, though
Ofcourse it doesn't. The NCAA only has authority over its member institutions. It isn't the NCAA's job to conduct a criminal investigation and make sure all the guilty parties are brought to justice. What would they do, give some random guy in State College a 5 year bowl ban due to his involvement? You're better than this.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's the same reason a program
can fire a coach for violating the moral clause of his contract.
Well in that case they should throw sanctions against the players on his team as well shouldn't they? You're arguing the same thing as we are with that example. Individual punishment.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:23 pm to genro
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FWIW, there's also information in the Freeh report about how Penn State football failed to implement sexual harassment and abuse training that was required by the NCAA.
Clear cut violation. Fine them. What does that have to do with players though? Should they be punished for that one?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:23 pm to Srbtiger06
Look. If y'all are arguing against the way the NCAA works then I'm on your side. They go after the school too much and should really find a way to punish the coaches more. BUT...that isn't how they work. So they shouldn't change the way they do things in this case. The football program and even higher ups were EXTREMELY corrupt. The football team should be punished.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:23 pm to PowerTool
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It's as if some of you never went to college, never had any involvement in collegiate athletics, never even followed college football, and just woke up today and decided to issue pronouncements about the Penn State situation.
No kidding. They've clearly never seen the Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil mentality of a program when they're breaking NCAA rules first hand either.
Add to it that Penn State is likely self-imposing with the NCAA in agreement. Anyone stop to think that may because they don't want the NCAA in their house to see what other NCAA rules may have been broken?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:24 pm to MOT
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What would they do, give some random guy in State College a 5 year bowl ban due to his involvement? You're better than this.
I must have missed the part where bowl bans and scholly limits are the only punishments they agreed to.
Why not fine them?
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