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re: Ozzie Guillen suspended 5 games for Fidel Castro comments
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:10 am to ottothewise
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:10 am to ottothewise
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People already outside Marlin Park protesting. Will this really hurt attendance? for most of them, its the first time they came that close to the Park.
well they've only played one game there so thats not mcuh of a surprise.
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Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:11 am to Nonetheless
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It's strange how the Miami Marlins are a private entity and can do that.
Yeah people always throw the "free speech" argument around when stuff like this happens, but a private business has the right to take measures that protect its profits.
The 1st amendment applies to the GOVERNMENT.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:12 am to tigerpimpbot
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If this doesn't blow over soon and quickly, his job still might be at risk.
It may be best for them to simply let him go and agree to pay out his contract for however long it is.
The Marlins have been a troubled franchise for some time (on-again, off-again contraction candidate) with nothing called a real fanbase; they can ill-afford to anger what few fans they have.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:12 am to bbap
I guess i don't really see what a 5 game suspension is supposed to do. Is he suppose to change his mind? Is 5 games the sufficient amount that would require forgiveness from the fans?
I just see it as you either fire him or you move on. No real middle ground. A guy has an opinion, it's not like that is going to change or the surrounding community is going to somehow accept it because of a 5 game suspension.
I just see it as you either fire him or you move on. No real middle ground. A guy has an opinion, it's not like that is going to change or the surrounding community is going to somehow accept it because of a 5 game suspension.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:14 am to Hat Tricks
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Why should baseball care about what he thinks of a person from another country?
All of those Cubans in Miami were offended by his comments. There a shitload of cubans that are at the bottom of the Atlantic just trying to get away from Castro. He should have just said nothig. I am surprised its ONLY 5 games.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:15 am to LordSaintly
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To be fair, we didn't grow up in Cuba under Castro's regime, so we can't possibly fathom how bad his comments were.
This. That's their hilter/ their equivalent to him. Poor choice of words, especially for his ethnicity and his clout.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:17 am to Prominentwon
I have found Guillen annoying many times in he past. What he said was stupid, and I completely understand the Cuban-Americans being pissed and the Marlins as well. That said, I can't help but feel bad for him. He left his old job to try and do great things for the franchise and city and it may all be ruined because he went public with his political views. Regardless of what people think he deserves, I can't help but hope it all blows over.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:28 am to LSURoss
The woman towards the left of the line, in the green and white shirt... I bet she's a huge Mark Buehrle fan.
The person towards the right of the line in the overalls and the lime green hat... I bet they are so ready for Josh Johnson to have an all-star caliber year.
And for the sign on the right side of the page... this is the USA, write your sign in English if you want us to understand it.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:38 am to Chad504boy
Jesus I hate when people run to the free speech thing and have no idea what it means. The government didn't and can't do anything to him. His employer can punish him for saying dumb crap just like anyone's can.
ETA: I see lordguill covered it a few posts earlier, so what he said.
ETA: I see lordguill covered it a few posts earlier, so what he said.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 10:40 am
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:40 am to Choupique19
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this is the USA, write your sign in English if you want us to understand it.
Not Miami. We gave up that real estate in the 80's. First time I ever flew into Miami in the early 90's and was shocked that every employee at the airport greets you in Spanish first...
and then says "oh, you speak English?"
Which was great, because for a day I got to quote Ferris Bueller:
"What country do you think this is?"
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:42 am to Chad504boy
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Still point in case, someone should be allowed to make stupid comments in this country.
He is allowed to say whatever he wants, but he may face consequences for his speech. If he were the manager anywhere but Miami, this would likely be a non-story. Miami is filled with Cuban refugees that despise Castro. He was alienating and offending the fan base. The organization, as a business, cannot afford to let that go unpunished.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:43 am to Choupique19
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this is the USA, write your sign in English if you want us to understand it.
Ever been to Miami?
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
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Posted by Chad504boy What happened to 'Merica, land of the free speech?
He's not being kidnapped by government officials and held in captivity to silence him (which I'm guessing happened in Castro's Cuba for decades.)
So 'what happened to freedom of speech' argument doesn't fit here. He is a public figure representing a a private organization.
I personally think he was trying to be funny. I think he understands dictatorships and the hardships that it brings upon its people. He called Sean Penn an idiot for standing up for Venezuela/Chavez.
This comments was just plain dumb, especially living and coaching in Miami.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 10:58 am to Prominentwon
quote:You don't understand the culture in Miami if you pose this question.
When will people stop becoming such pussies over words?
They put the new stadium in the middle of Little Havana... guess who lives there? Guess who the Marlins have been targeting and marketing to ever since they knew they would be moving to the old Orange Bowl site? That's right... the Cuban people of Miami, who love baseball.
For him to say something positive about a man that most Cuban-Americans view as the most evil man on the planet is not good business. They fled their home country because this man ruined everything they had ever known. I'm actually surprised they didn't suspend him for longer.
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/10/12 at 11:24 am to Wideman
can someone say exactly what he said?
Posted on 4/10/12 at 11:30 am to Lester Earl
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can someone say exactly what he said?
According to Time Magazine, Guillen said, "I love Fidel Castro."
"I respect Fidel Castro," he said. "You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that [guy] is still here."
Also said
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Guillen made similar comments in a 2008 article for Men's Journal magazine, comments extensive enough to shed some light on Guillen's feelings on the issue.
When asked, "Who's the toughest man you know," Guillen named Castro.
He said, "He's a bull ... dictator and everybody's against him and he still survives, has power. ... I don't admire his philosophy, I admire him."
It's very Bill Maher ish of what he said about the 9-11 hijackers.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 1:56 pm to Waffle House
What I dont understand is why Ozzie Guillen would make comments about Castro when he is the manager for the Miami Marlins? What an idiot.
If he is still in Chicago, nobody cares. In Miami? Please. What an idiot. That is guaranteed to inflame the locals. Guillen has said before he admires that nut case dictator in Venezuela, his home country and Venezuela and Cuba are butt buddies right now.
If he is still in Chicago, nobody cares. In Miami? Please. What an idiot. That is guaranteed to inflame the locals. Guillen has said before he admires that nut case dictator in Venezuela, his home country and Venezuela and Cuba are butt buddies right now.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 4:58 pm to kjntgr
quote:Huh?
Its strange how in this country a person is punished for his opinion. As crazy and arse backward as it may be.
So, if you give opinions that can hurt the business you work for, that business shouldn't be able to punish you for it?
That's a MUCH stranger take than the one you suggested.
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:00 pm to LordSaintly
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To be fair, we didn't grow up in Cuba under Castro's regime, so we can't possibly fathom how bad his comments were.
very true but there is also a reason why many in cuba love him still
dunno why but some do
This post was edited on 4/10/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 4/10/12 at 5:17 pm to Prominentwon
If the MLB suspended him, I'm kinda pissy. If the Marlins did, they are his employer and he said something stupid that could alienate the fan base.
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