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Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:49 pm to TheWalrus
No clue about hockey, was the hit that rocked Wideman a legal hit?
I ask because if it was a legal hit, then what would be the reason for Wideman to intentionally go after the ref?
I ask because if it was a legal hit, then what would be the reason for Wideman to intentionally go after the ref?
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 9:08 pm to shel311
I'm not seeing the accidental part of his excuse.
BUT let's assume it was am accident for a second.
Provided they're aware of it, how do people typically respond to an accident? Do they mindlessly leave the scene as if nothing happened, or do they show some surprise and at least attempt to rectify the situation?
So while the act itself looked bad, his nonchalant behavior after it does not help his cause.
BUT let's assume it was am accident for a second.
Provided they're aware of it, how do people typically respond to an accident? Do they mindlessly leave the scene as if nothing happened, or do they show some surprise and at least attempt to rectify the situation?
So while the act itself looked bad, his nonchalant behavior after it does not help his cause.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 9:50 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:This doesn't seem like the typical case, though.
Provided their aware of it, how do people typically respond to an accident?
I didn't read through the thread or follow much hockey, but has anyone mentioned what the motive would have been? Or was it completely random? I think that's an important factor to possibly point in the right direction of what may have really happened.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 7:20 am to LL012697
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The problem with the accident theory is that nothing in the video backs it up. It's very obvious when somebody inadvertently collides with someone else because they aren't bracing for an impact. Wideman is clearly coasting for a distance then when he gets within a couple of feet of the official he thrusts his body forward and raises his arms to cross check him. Then to top it off he doesn't even bother looking back to make sure the linesman is ok or to open his eyes and see what he hit (if you're buying the eyes closed thing)
Exactly this!!
Also in the highlights they show Wideman on the bench look up at the video screen which was probably showing th ehit he put on the ref and it didn't take a lip reader to know that he said, "frick him."
Posted on 1/29/16 at 8:24 am to Silky Johnston
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No way he could have had his eyes closed or anything.
That would explain skaking into him, not raising both his arms up and check the ref in the shoulders...hard.
See, I realize I'm wasting my time walking through this because you either know this and are just doing this for fun, or you don;t...which is kind of worse. But, since I can't stand when a motherfricker is wrong on the internet, I'll go through it again...
IF the guy simply skated into him "with his eyes closed" then he'd have had no reason to raise his arms...as anyone who's ever walked into something while getting up to take a piss while sleeping knows. His eyes being closed, after all, would sort of prevent him from being able to raise his arms in anticipation of running into the thing he's accidentally running into. He'd have banged into the guy, and then realized it had happened. Everyone can see that's not what happened here.
IF he didn't have his eyes closed but was groggy and skated into him by accident, he'd have at least turned and acknowledged him slammed into a ref. But again...he clearly didn't just skate into him, he skated towards him and then checked him with his stick in an aggressive move.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills having to even make these points...
Posted on 1/29/16 at 8:52 am to shel311
quote:I would accept the argument that he was badly concussed so he hit the ref thinking it was a player. I dont believe it, but I can at least see an argument being made for that.
This doesn't seem like the typical case, though.
I didn't read through the thread or follow much hockey, but has anyone mentioned what the motive would have been? Or was it completely random? I think that's an important factor to possibly point in the right direction of what may have really happened.
However, Silky's argument of the hit being an "accident" because he didnt see him is downright absurd from the video we have
This post was edited on 1/29/16 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/29/16 at 8:55 am to lsupride87
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I would accept the argument that he was badly concussed so he hit the ref thinking it was a player. I dont believe it, but I can at least see an argument being made for that.
Except postgame in that interview he was asked if he was out of it or what effects he was feeling from that hit and just said nah just some neck and shoulder pain. Then they asked again about his head/concussion and he said no.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:39 am to UltimateHog
quote:Then he has zero argument. There is no plausible deniability it was an accident. People like Silky watch too much tv and think someone isnt guilty if there is any doubt. The key is there any REASONABLE doubt. There is nothing reasonable whatsoever that the hit was an accident. There was preparation, leg drive, arm extension, and follow through. He saw his target and hit it
Except postgame in that interview he was asked if he was out of it or what effects he was feeling from that hit and just said nah just some neck and shoulder pain. Then they asked again about his head/concussion and he said no.
This post was edited on 1/29/16 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/29/16 at 2:36 pm to UltimateHog
your little clip left out that the player was similarly hit and the ref ignored it. the first hit was 4 seconds before the "dirty" hit.
I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
fricker will blow the whistle the next time.
If he doesn't, I would run at him full speed next time.
The "dirty" hit was nowhere near full speed.
It was a wake up call.
I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
fricker will blow the whistle the next time.
If he doesn't, I would run at him full speed next time.
The "dirty" hit was nowhere near full speed.
It was a wake up call.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 2:44 pm to CelticDog
Ok Internet tough guy.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 2:46 pm to CelticDog
quote:
your little clip left out that the player was similarly hit and the ref ignored it. the first hit was 4 seconds before the "dirty" hit.
Then maybe Wideman should stop being a little bitch and lay the wood to the guy that hit him. Better yet, take off the gloves and go fight him
quote:
It was a wake up call
And Widemans suspension for the rest of the season will be his wake up call
Posted on 1/29/16 at 2:48 pm to UltimateHog
There's no place for that in professional sports.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 2:50 pm to UltimateHog
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During the second period of the Flames' game against Nashville, Wideman got up after being hit and struck Henderson on the way to the bench. Wideman said he was in pain and was just trying to get off the ice, adding that he couldn't avoid Henderson.
Wtf
Any ways, he's suspended indefinitely atm until a hearing
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:17 am to UltimateHog
He should be banned from the game and charged with assault.
That should not be tolerated. Make an example of his bitch arse.
That should not be tolerated. Make an example of his bitch arse.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 2:21 am
Posted on 1/30/16 at 8:27 am to CelticDog
And that is why you have no business participating in organized sports.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:56 am to TJGator1215
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looked like the ref was skating to him and wideman was trying to prevent from in to him. It was incidental IMO. The ref needs to watch where he's going
Troll or stupid..maybe a stupid troll?
Wideman is just a sourpuss who got his feelings hurt from a body check...he should just quit and become a figure skater
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:46 am to Silky Johnston
after watching the entire clip I think both sides are true.
The player was SMOKED on the previously play and woozy. He was stuck out on the ice and trying to get off asap. As he is skating back he realizes he is skating into oncoming play and intentionally knocks the ref out of the way to avoid another collision...probably frustrated the play where he was previously hit went uncalled.
The player was SMOKED on the previously play and woozy. He was stuck out on the ice and trying to get off asap. As he is skating back he realizes he is skating into oncoming play and intentionally knocks the ref out of the way to avoid another collision...probably frustrated the play where he was previously hit went uncalled.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:49 am to CelticDog
quote:
I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
You are an idiot.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:54 pm to CelticDog
quote:
your little clip left out that the player was similarly hit and the ref ignored it. the first hit was 4 seconds before the "dirty" hit.
I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
Why wouldn't you go after the guy who did the hit instead?
Refs don't always make the calls you feel are right.. If you are pissed at someone's actions take it out on them then.. Refs aren't perfect.
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