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re: Ole Miss should be in if SMU wins ACC. USC is also more deserving than Bama.

Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by wablty
Member since Sep 2012
275 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:51 pm to
ASU is going to have a hard time without Jordyn Tyson. They don't have receiver depth. Maybe if Badger hadn't run off to follow Pearsall or Conyers didn't decide to go home, but they're very thin in terms of receiving options. Some people will have to step up because he's the only guy who can reliably beat good coverage.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29379 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:51 pm to
I have no objection to BYU being in the conversation. The fact that their two losses occurred over their last 3 games, with one of them being to a 5 win team, is sorta a dagger though.
Posted by wablty
Member since Sep 2012
275 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:55 pm to
Is losing close to a Kansas team that beat them and 2 other top 25 teams in a row really worse than being blown out by Oklahoma?

ASU and BYU was a game between two 10 win teams that ended (stupidly but this season is stupid) on a completed Hail Mary that was 2 yards too short.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted by BenDover
Member since Jul 2010
5521 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:56 pm to
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In the NCAA Basketball tournament the selection committee doesn't simply look at records and call it a day. They look at how many games you won against good teams and where you beat them. Indiana hasn't beaten a single team even remotely close to the top 25, let alone in CFP contention.


The basketball committee also has the luxury of comparing teams who have played full conference schedules and the conference tournament. If football were to go to more of a round robin model in conference play, we'd have a bit more clarity and commentary on SMU/Miami/Clemson, Bama/Ole Miss, etc.
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:24 pm to
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In your hypothetical, SMU would've won a P4 conference, and I agree with the CFP that they should reward and incentivize that. If the bracket were released today and SMU was slated to play the winner of Indiana/PSU, you think both those teams would smash SMU?


Of course it isn't knowable, but I think probability and common sense point us that direction. History, too. There have been a couple of upsets, but most of time time the Cinderella teams get smashed.

With the expanded format, I think things like roster depth and program resources are going to play a bigger role. More so with PSU than Indiana in your scenario.

But hey, this time around we'll get to see them play it out. Maybe I'm full of shite, and it will be fun to watch.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:25 pm to
HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS!!!!

Oh wait

Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
63623 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:04 pm to
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Lost by only 2 to Bama


And that's why they are behind Bama
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16529 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 6:38 am to
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aybe.

But if that is the case Indiana should be dinged as well. They played FIU, W Illinois and Charlotte.



But Ole Miss has 3 losses, Indiana 1. And Another of Ole Miss's loss's was at home to Kentucky. I don't really think this is the best analogy to plead Ole Miss's case Alt.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54358 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 6:44 am to
I love being right.

The fact that so many here are "shocked" that a three loss Bama team is going to walk into the playoff really does make me laugh. You folks have been in denial for a long time.

This entire sport is rigged for a few specific teams. Narratives change when those teams fail. Their losses are actually wins.

You wanted a playoff, now you will get Bama, Notre Dame, OSU, and Michigan (if they can lose less than 4 games) plus 8 every year. LOLOLOL

I forgot one more darling: IF USCw can manage to lose three or less every year, they too will get an automatic bid.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 7:06 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29379 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:37 am to
In 2021, there were 0 ranked teams with at least 2 losses to 6-6 or worse teams at this point in the season.

In 2022, at this point in the season the highest ranked team with at least 2 losses to 6-6 or worse teams was #19 South Carolina. In 2023, that team was #18 Oklahoma State.

Bama has two losses to 6-6 teams, with one occurring in the second to last week and that was by 21 points.

South Carolina’s worst loss was to 8-win LSU.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15140 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:39 am to
Bama & Ole Miss both beat USC & all 3 have the same record. /END
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54358 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:44 am to
I get all of that completely. I’m not advocating FOR Bama at all.

I’m just telling you all that are in denial what CFB is and always will be. Some programs are more equal than others. If they can push a Bama team in a final when only two teams were selected straight up when they clearly didn’t deserve it, then they can easily put them in a 12 team playoff.

I said last year a team like Bama could lose three games and still be forced in. I was called a pussy repeatedly by the true believers. Well, here we are. Threes Bama will sit at home on championship Saturday (again), wait on more qualified teams to lose the extra game they weren’t good enough to play in, then waltz into the playoffs.

This will happen for the other teams I listed above (when needed) as well.

I am told repeatedly here that my Tier rankings for media darlings is a farce. Lolololol
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54358 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:48 am to
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Bama & Ole Miss both beat USC & all 3 have the same record. /END


Yep, and remind the class what happened to USC when they were making a clear game winning drive to beat Bama at Bama….

It’s Ok, I will remind them..,

A big third down conversion was erased thanks to a phantom holding call that USCe couldn’t overcome. First and ten in the Red Zone to third and 15. Lolol

Classic SEC fix job for the darlings and now that will likely put Bama in the playoffs and keep USC out.

Don’t stop believing
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
935 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:16 am to
South Carolina should be in imo. Yeah they have 3 losses. but two them were stupid close They also don't have god awful losses to midling teams like OU or Kentucky/Florida and are playing better currently than most outside of Oregon.. That win vs Clemson last week should've put them in. Also wins over Mizzou and TAMU (ranked at home).

I'd put Bama at 13. They beat South Carolina, but that OU smackdown is the disqualifier.

Ole Miss isn't in the convo. Ole Miss beat Georgia, Alabama, and SC but the worst losses of bunch. Kentucky and Florida Kiffs? Oof. If you flip one they'd be in.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:23 am to
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Jon Ham


Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4845 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:50 am to
You say Bama should be out because they lost to to two 6-6 teams, yet you put Ole Miss over them when they had THE ABSOLUTE WORST LOSS IN THE SEC THIS YEAR. Kentucky's wins this year are Southern Miss, Ohio, Murray St, Ole Miss Their win over Ole Miss is the only reason they aren't the 16th place team in the league.

Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
19596 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:02 pm to
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Ole Miss beat Georgia, Alabama


You're at least the 2nd person I've seen say this recently. Was the Ole Miss/Bama game held in secrecy this year like Fight Club?
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
935 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:09 pm to
It's been a long month lol

I also forgot Alabama lost to Vanderbilt which is another reason they shouldn't be in.

The argument should be South Carolina vs Miami imo. Ugly wins ( Miami) vs Good losses (SC)

This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4845 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:15 pm to
Amazing logic on here.

Bama beat USC. Instead of giving Bama credit for another quality win, people want USC to leapfrog them to get in the playoffs.

Also today I learned, a 2 point home win is actually a loss.
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
935 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:57 pm to
Losing to Vanderbilt and the literal worst OU team in 30 years completely neutralizes all the good in Bamas schedule.

Like Ole Miss they could've been in with one of those loses but not both.
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