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re: Odds are that an 11-5 NFC team will be left out for the first time

Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:41 am to
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:41 am to
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You cant play two games each against three random teams if you dissolved the divisions. That's the most retarded idea ever.

You're right, nothing wrong with the current system at all.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46565 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:45 am to
There's a lot wrong with it, and I've already suggest a much simpler solution than completely changing the scheduling format.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61363 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:45 am to
NFC south just sucks monkey balls. Geezus it sucks.
Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
84774 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:56 am to
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man, I remember how hard Saints fans were crying just a few short years ago when they got destroyed by Marshawn Lynch & the Seahawks.

Yea it's really stupid.

So it would be sweet justice if we get and beat the Hawks at home. Even better if dallas is left out. Mark Ingram can have a game sealing run that looks awesome because the only chance the Hawks have of winning is stripping the ball so they can't tackle him without losing.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31084 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:37 am to
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08? The year the Fins won the division? Who won the wildcard & with what record?

Dolphins and Jets got in at 11-5. Pats missed at 11-5. I think the Broncos also missed at 11-5 sometime in the past.

Cassel is on the IR for the Vikings. He was the starter until he got hurt. I am sure it is Teddy's team now though.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36141 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:59 am to
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saints make the playoffs with a 6-10 record and cowboys miss with an 11-5 record. I will lulz myself to death



There ought to be a floor for the record a division champ can have and still be an automatic qualifier for the playoffs. My vote would be a .500 record.

The idea of a team like this year's Saints or Falcons making the playoffs with a record 4 games under .500 ought to make anyone with a mind for fairness uncomfortable.





















Wait, the Cowboys are the ones being left out? Nevermind. We're good.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:56 am to
If the NFL is smart and not shortsighted at all for a change, they would have the position that the current playoff format is one of the best in pro sports and it is the most fair and accurate format for determining a champion. If you win your division, you will have proven yourself as the best team out of 4 teams in a 16 team conference and that should always be rewarded with a playoff spot and one guaranteed home game when only 6 teams can go to the playoffs.

With that said, a 7-9 or 6-10 division winner is an anomaly and certainly should not be treated as the norm and indicative of a larger problem. It's extremely and highly unlikely this will happen again for a long time. To change the playoff format would be an overreaction, indigent outrage seeking to punish an anomaly and only hurt the NFL brand and get rid of a great playoff format. It's unfortunate that there's a team that's below .500 in the playoffs but that's just what you get when an entire division is so shitty and its inflating the W-L records of other teams and divisions and not even the best playoff format can account for that. No playoff format is perfect even when it may be one of the best in sports.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 5:28 am
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:05 am to
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There ought to be a floor for the record a division champ can have and still be an automatic qualifier for the playoffs. My vote would be a .500 record.

The idea of a team like this year's Saints or Falcons making the playoffs with a record 4 games under .500 ought to make anyone with a mind for fairness uncomfortable.


You win the division, you prove yourself as the best team out of four teams in a 16 team conference with a 6 team playoff format. There is very little more fair than that.

People are ignoring that all of the entire NFC South's teams being really shitty is not normal and but they are still a part of a 16 team conference competing against 12 other teams and the best team out of those 4 teams deserve to be rewarded.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:09 am to
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I remember how hard Saints fans were crying just a few short years ago when they got destroyed by Marshawn Lynch & the Seahawks.


I'm a saints fan and I had no problem with 7-9 Seattle being in the playoffs and hosting.

They were the best team of a 4 team division and the saints didn't win their division so they didn't deserve to host a playoff game over a team that actually won their division.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:12 am to
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Outside of the toe end of the boot, there are more Cowboys fans than Saints fans in Louisiana in my experience.


That boot must not be stepping in Louisiana much because this is a wholly incorrect generalization.

You would have a point if you were talking about Northwest Louisiana or more specifically Shitport instead of the entire state.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82250 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:21 am to
Great post, sentrius
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 5:22 am
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13071 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:18 am to
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Might be for the best, seeing as this is the only scenario that essentially guarantees a restructure of the current seeding system. The NFL could let it slip away quietly into the night if it were anyone else, but not Dallas.


Reseeding the playoff won't help the Cowboys get in anyway. It would just make the Saints a road team.
Posted by windhammontanatigers
windham-stanford, montana
Member since Nov 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:27 am to
I know there were talks of expanding the playoffs by 2 extra teams, one for the NFC and one extra for the AFC. Does anyone on here know if that passed and when it might go into effect if it did pass? Just googled and saw where that should go into effect for next season where we will have 14 teams in the playoffs rather than 12 like this year.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 7:32 am
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17108 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:51 am to
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Mark Ingram can have a game sealing run that looks awesome because the only chance the Hawks have of winning is stripping the ball so they can't tackle him without losing.



Check out Rustle Wilson over here.
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17108 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:00 am to
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With that said, a 7-9 or 6-10 division winner is an anomaly and certainly should not be treated as the norm and indicative of a larger problem.


A 6-10 team hosting a playoff game is a problem. Setting a baseline that you must go 8-8 as a division winner to host isn't exactly some wild sweeping change to the format.

quote:

It's extremely and highly unlikely this will happen again for a long time.


Cool...all the more reason to make a change and move on.

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an overreaction, indigent outrage seeking to punish an anomaly and only hurt the NFL brand and get rid of a great playoff format.


Hopefully you stepped away from the keyboard for a minute.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6391 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:06 am to
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quote: There ought to be a floor for the record a division champ can have and still be an automatic qualifier for the playoffs. My vote would be a .500 record. The idea of a team like this year's Saints or Falcons making the playoffs with a record 4 games under .500 ought to make anyone with a mind for fairness uncomfortable. You win the division, you prove yourself as the best team out of four teams in a 16 team conference with a 6 team playoff format. There is very little more fair than that. People are ignoring that all of the entire NFC South's teams being really shitty is not normal and but they are still a part of a 16 team conference competing against 12 other teams and the best team out of those 4 teams deserve to be rewarded.


While I don't necessarily have a problem with division winners automatically qualifying because it's an agreed apon precondition, why does the least shitty of the four shittiest teams "deserve" to be rewarded?
Posted by gameovergt
Orange Park, FL via Stevenson, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1963 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:06 am to
I hope the Lions go 11-5 and don't get in
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21126 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:09 am to
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Odds are that an 11-5 NFC team will be left out for the first time


Who cares? They should have been smart enough to be in the NFC South.

I hope that the Saints go 6-10 and make it in over an 11-5 Dallas just to hear Cowboys fans cry.










I am actually kidding. I think that the whole thing is ridiculous and that if a division winner cannot go at least 9-7 and there is a higher placed Wild Card team, then that division winner should give up their playoff spot to the team with the better record.

Hopefully, the disaster that is this season in the NFC South will lead to a change.
Posted by goldenbadger08
Sorting Out MSB BS Since 2011
Member since Oct 2011
37901 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:11 am to
Really hope it's SEA that misses out.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:28 am to
Let's see someone else cry now then.

This is a rare thing, there better be no changes. Winning divisions is still important
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