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re: Objectively, is college football a hell of a lot more entertaining now?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:41 pm to YNWA
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:41 pm to YNWA
Not too long ago, miid P5 schools used to go 7-4, 8-3, with the occasional 6-5, make to a decent bowl game, and call it a great year
Nowadays, if that coach isn’t recruiting top 15 classes each year and “competing for championships” that are essentially impossible, then he gets fired in 3 years so the school can “rebuild” and start the process over. Rinse and repeat.
Meanwhile, ESPN keeps oversaturating the market and cramming some more idiots in our face as they keep chasing more money. It’s overmarketed. Take GameDay for example. It started as an organic college football show for fans. Now it’s been bastardized with sponsors and generic marketing crap. It sucks now
Fans have become apathetic to the whole process. It’s not fun anymore and the newness of the growth in the 2000’s is wearing off, and gimmicks to rope fans back in are seen as just that: gimmicks. People aren’t going to suddenly start filling up stadiums again because you let them buy beer and give them wifi
It’s gotten too big, and the more “they” try to fix it, the worse it becomes
Nowadays, if that coach isn’t recruiting top 15 classes each year and “competing for championships” that are essentially impossible, then he gets fired in 3 years so the school can “rebuild” and start the process over. Rinse and repeat.
Meanwhile, ESPN keeps oversaturating the market and cramming some more idiots in our face as they keep chasing more money. It’s overmarketed. Take GameDay for example. It started as an organic college football show for fans. Now it’s been bastardized with sponsors and generic marketing crap. It sucks now
Fans have become apathetic to the whole process. It’s not fun anymore and the newness of the growth in the 2000’s is wearing off, and gimmicks to rope fans back in are seen as just that: gimmicks. People aren’t going to suddenly start filling up stadiums again because you let them buy beer and give them wifi
It’s gotten too big, and the more “they” try to fix it, the worse it becomes
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:00 pm
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:44 pm to bayoubengals88
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Or is it just different?
I think the biggest difference is that every game from every good size program is televised. I mean, it wasn't thaaaaat long ago that we were reading scores in the Sunday paper.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:50 pm to WG_Dawg
The recruiting monopolies are really hurting the sport and making it largely not competitive. Look at the difference between the top 5-6 teams and everyone else. I mean 3 is a 14+ point favorite over 7, imagine if 5 OU played 8 Auburn, they would probably be a two touchdown favorite on a neutral field. That’s bad for the sport.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:53 pm to bayoubengals88
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Danny Weurffel
This is the only thing I know about Danny Weurffel.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:57 pm to bayoubengals88
I'm probably in the minority, but I really miss the BCS. I understand why we had to go to the playoff system, but to me, the BCS worked for the majority of its existence (save for the 2011 fiasco). It also made reaching one of the 4 bowls outside of the BCSNCG a big deal. I felt like I had to explain to people last year why LSU getting to the Orange Bowl was such a big deal to me, but now it's like if it's not a playoff game, it doesn't mean anything. I liked having the Sugar, Orange, Rose, and Fiesta being the "elite" bowls.
The playoffs made bowl games even more pointless and crappy than they already were.
The playoffs made bowl games even more pointless and crappy than they already were.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:59 pm to RandySavage
Everything y’all are saying, and because a third of a season is rent-a-wins.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:17 pm to bayoubengals88
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Even Danny Weurffel who I considered a god back then had a terrible completion percentage.
207/360 57.5%
3,625 yds
39 tds 13 int
The yards per attempt are pretty solid though
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:19 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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LSU getting to the Orange Bowl
Huh
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:22 pm to TH03
‘83 orange bowl? 
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:06 pm to bayoubengals88
I've always said you can't beat big games in college football. The atmosphere is like no other. Not even the NFL playoffs IMO.
Problem is there just aren't that many, so those 3-4 week spans of playing the Citadel water it down.
Problem is there just aren't that many, so those 3-4 week spans of playing the Citadel water it down.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:16 pm to rintintin
Maybe, but it would be a lot better if we get rid of cupcake weeks, make rules limiting "analysts" and clean up recruiting.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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Every year you go into the season coming out of summer knowing that only about 5 teams ACTUALLY have a shot at winning it al
That’s how it’s always been.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:28 pm to bayoubengals88
The season is over for 90% of the sport by the end of September. Real entertaining
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:31 pm to DawgHorns
Several of the largest stadiums in the world are actually college football stadiums, it goes to show how big the game is over here.
While I only starting watching football since early 2000s, I can say that the last decade was a lot more exciting than this more recent decade. Objective reasons why it was better: more parity, smaller conferences, every game counted more, kickoffs actually existed back then, etc.
Unfortunately I believe it is going to only get worse before it gets better. The next 10 years will be more of the same (Clemson, UGA, Bama/LSU?). Idk if a playoff system like in the FCS would make the sport better or not, but at some point it might be the next logical decision to change towards
While I only starting watching football since early 2000s, I can say that the last decade was a lot more exciting than this more recent decade. Objective reasons why it was better: more parity, smaller conferences, every game counted more, kickoffs actually existed back then, etc.
Unfortunately I believe it is going to only get worse before it gets better. The next 10 years will be more of the same (Clemson, UGA, Bama/LSU?). Idk if a playoff system like in the FCS would make the sport better or not, but at some point it might be the next logical decision to change towards
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:31 pm to bayoubengals88
We raise this argument at the beginning of the year every football season. The anti-NFL crowd always hangs their hat on the league being garbage the first month of the season. When we all know that this is the time that majority of teams work out their problems (Preseason is bullshite and we all know that isn't the time to figure out your issues. Unless you are starting a new QB/HC)
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:33 pm to Junky
Nothing like watching Alabama beat the shite out of cupcakes. Lots of drama week to week. Really keeps you on your toes when the top school play maybe 2-3 competitive games the entire year.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:32 pm to TH03
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quote: LSU getting to the Orange Bowl Huh
Whoops. Brain fart. Meant fiesta. Maybe it’s not as big of a deal to me as I originally thought
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:35 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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I'm probably in the minority, but I really miss the BCS. I understand why we had to go to the playoff system, but to me, the BCS worked for the majority of its existence (save for the 2011 fiasco). It also made reaching one of the 4 bowls outside of the BCSNCG a big deal. I felt like I had to explain to people last year why LSU getting to the Orange Bowl was such a big deal to me, but now it's like if it's not a playoff game, it doesn't mean anything. I liked having the Sugar, Orange, Rose, and Fiesta being the "elite" bowls.
The playoffs made bowl games even more pointless and crappy than they already were.
shite, forgot the BCS. I miss the old bowl system and the old conference alignments. It was imperfect, but there was a beauty in the imperfection that’s been corporatized away.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:33 pm to VermilionTiger
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ESPN lobbying for the CFP ruined college football
There was nothing wrong with the BCS. A 2 team playoff was better than the current 4 team format
The irony is that the only way to get the magic back is to expand the playoffs to 8. P5 conference winners get autobid with 3 at-larges. It would make winning the conference extremely important and gives more games meaning. Races in the PAC North, Big West, SEC East would matter even if a school gets an early loss.
Right now all we talk about is a few teams at the top and conference championships have been made insignificant.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:08 pm to dlc83
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Abu summed it up nicely. For the health of the sport, we need to pull for one or more Pac 12 and Big West teams to emerge as powerhouses to spread the wealth a bit for the health of the sport.
Otherwise, college football will evolve into a regional sport.
The West Coast is the biggest locus, by far, but the Northeastern corridor matters a hell of a lot as well.
I am genuinely concerned that the long-term quality of what has long been one of the best and most prestigious conferences in the sport - the PAC 12 - is going face crisis here in the next 5 - 15 years and will be relegated to permanent second-tier status. Participation rates in the sport have plummeted in California to an obscene level (even major powers like Mater Dei, DLS, Servite, Carson, Crenshaw, Franklin, etc. struggle to field big varsity/JV/freshmen programs now like they do in the Southeast and like they did themselves not even fifteen years ago), and it's not good for the long-term prognosis of the sport. I am afraid it's a harbinger for the future of the sport, and a lot of the big and influential Midwestern programs (Chicago schools, Ohio schools, Michigan schools, western PA schools, etc.) and eastern corridor schools are seeing the same thing.
I love college football, and it is, by far, my favorite sport on the planet. But these trends scare the shite out of me. I have no idea how to change it, but if college football is going to continue to be one of the great national pursuits like it has been for 150 years, these problems must be fixed.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 11:11 pm
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