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re: Now with NIL shouldn’t athletes pay tuition and housing?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:10 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:10 pm to I B Freeman
quote:Athletes provide a product that makes a school millions, why in the world should the school get that for free?
Now with NIL shouldn’t athletes pay tuition and housing?
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:13 pm to PP7 for heisman
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D. A post secondary education institution shall not use an athletic booster to, nor shall an athletic booster, directly or indirectly, create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.
The law only covers "intercollegiate athletes".
The definition of such is here.
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(3) "Intercollegiate athlete" means a student enrolled in a post secondary education institution who participates in an athletic program
If they are not enrolled in a post secondary education institution in the State of Louisiana, which receives State aid and performs in athletics.. they are not covered.
Also, the statute doesn't say they can't do it without a booster, it says they can't do it with a booster.
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A post secondary education institution shall not use an athletic booster to
Of course, this only pertains to NIL not performance, and there would be no restrictions on non-booster anyway.
1. LSU could pay a HS player to sign with a performance contract
2. LSU could pay a HS player to sign via NIL contract but not with a booster involved
3. A third party could basically pay them to do anything, as long its not a booster with the school.
4. LSU could pay a player out of state to play at another college.
5. etc. etc.
At the end of the day, there is no real enforcement anyway so...
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:18 pm to Jack Daniel
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You’re a socialist so why do you want them to pay?
He's more communist than socialist.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:20 pm to Simplemaaan
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It’s pro football without salary cap
Pros can get as many sponsorships as the want.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:21 pm to I B Freeman
I'll just cut and paste this into every thread that wonders if they should now pay tuition.
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If a non athlete can get a full academic scholarship, get paid for their talents, and trade in on their likeness rights if anyone wants to pay them for them but doesn't get their academic scholarship yanked why the hell should an athlete suddenly have to pay for their athletic scholarship?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:24 pm to Simplemaaan
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It’s pro football without salary cap
Sponsorships aren't part of an NFL team's cap.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:25 pm to I B Freeman
It screws over the quiet guys who just wanna show up and work and get a degree though. Theyre a dime a dozen these days, but a dime in my book.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:30 pm to Ryan3232
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It screws over the quiet guys who just wanna show up and work
Did Dirk get screwed over when he refused to do nearly every single commercial opportunity that came his way? Is Kawhi getting screwed b/c he doesn't care about building up and monetizing his social media? How the hell is a person who doesn't care about getting sponsors getting screwed?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:05 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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A.(1) An intercollegiate athlete at a postsecondary education institution may earn compensation for the use of the athlete's name, image, or likeness. Compensation must be commensurate with the market value of the authorized use of the athlete's name, image, or likeness.
Market Value
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(2) To preserve the integrity, quality, character, and amateur nature of intercollegiate athletics and to maintain a clear separation between amateur intercollegiate athletics and professional sports, a postsecondary education institution (LSU), an entity whose purpose includes supporting or benefitting such institution or its intercollegiate athletic programs(TAF), or an officer, director, employee, or agent of such institution or entity shall not provide a current or prospective athlete with compensation for the use of the student athlete's name, image, or likeness
Can't pay recruits to come to your school.
I'm horrible at linking pictures, but I'm looking at the LSU NIL brochure and it explicitly states you may not be paid for your athletic performance. I may have been wrong when I said state law, but the point is if an athlete is paid for their athletic performance, they will be ineligible.
LSU compliance twitter may have it.
The third party stuff will be regulated soon I believe, as this is only the interim policy.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:16 am to I B Freeman
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Why should they give the athletes anything?
Why should they field a team or have uniforms or sell tickets? Why ask foolish questions like yours?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 7:11 am to PP7 for heisman
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Market Value
Not sure what that means, I have already shown why that is immaterial. Also, "market value" who is going to determine that?
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Can't pay recruits to come to your school.
Yes, the school can, generally speaking and I have shown in the law where its basically hollowed out.
Here is just one example, same as before:
- High school recruit
- LSU pays recruit $100,000 via either NIL or performance contract to sign on signing day.
- A high school recruit is not an "intercollegiate athlete" covered in the law.
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LSU NIL brochure and it explicitly states you may not be paid for your athletic performance.
LSU can install their own policy but there is no restriction in the law, generally speaking. For most situations LSU could pay, or a third party for a recruit. I'm not covered in the law and I could pay a recruit to sign as well.
At the end of the day there is little to no rules, with no real oversight or enforcement anyway.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:11 am to I B Freeman
quote:It’s a fair question and those critical of it generally can’t think past their next Twitter post.
Now with NIL shouldn’t athletes pay tuition and housing?
Recruiting is just going to turn into which school can find the most NIL sponsors and dollars should the schools even give scholarships?
EVENTUALLY, not today, but EVENTUALLY NIL will become part of the standard recruiting process. It will become a bidding war for players. 3-star recruit is offered X NIL dollars to sign with School A. School B is offering a full scholarship.
I believe scholarships will EVENTUALLY become bargaining chips for the non-blue chip recruits but will EVENTUALLY phase out for 4 and 5 star recruits.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:39 am to TX Tiger
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EVENTUALLY, not today, but EVENTUALLY NIL will become part of the standard recruiting process. It will become a bidding war for players. 3-star recruit is offered X NIL dollars to sign with School A. School B is offering a full scholarship.
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EVENTUALLY, not today, but EVENTUALLY NIL will become part of the standard recruiting process. It will become a bidding war for players. 3-star recruit is offered X NIL dollars to sign with School A. School B is offering a full scholarship.
It already is, the ones that haven't figured it out will by Monday.
Pay to play is here, nobody really cares about this image thing.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:48 am to TigerLunatik
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Maybe 20 or 30.
quote:By being future starters
How do you think the backup center or the nickle back are gonna profit from this?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:58 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:I agree. Now it’s going to be all nice and legal. It’s being taken to the next level. We’ll see how that works out for them.
It already is
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:59 am to I B Freeman
Lol no. I dont understand why y’all don’t get this.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:07 am to TX Tiger
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I agree. Now it’s going to be all nice and legal. It’s being taken to the next level. We’ll see how that works out for them.
I think as a generalization, eventually, collapse of the big money sports. Everyone involved will be collateral damage. Probably no immediate financial impact unless the players figure out they can organize, eventually though... this isn't a working business model as it is today.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:21 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
I just don’t see how they can continue to call it amateur athletics with a straight face.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:26 am to TX Tiger
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I just don’t see how they can continue to call it amateur athletics with a straight face.
It was a word to justify their scam. "Its not a scam, its a way for us to assist and help the college community".
These schools I wouldn't trust to educate a chicken at this point.
Wait till you see the taxpayer bailout.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
I don’t understand why this keeps coming up.
Someone explain the logic of it to me because I see none
Someone explain the logic of it to me because I see none
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