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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:21 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:21 pm to the808bass
quote:Yes it is a cluster in terms of the timing and everything else surrounding it. But that in no way means the TPD was part of some giant cover up
Meggs has already said the police investigation was (and I quote) "a cluster." He said that on the record. He's not going to say "jk jk everybody, super job by TPD" tomorrow.
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:22 pm to TheOcean
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We don't know the details and we probably never will. My guess is that the charges are dropped and the record is sealed to protect the accuser. Everything will just be speculation.
So if he really raped her...... you cool with that? You're cool with her putting her self out there and getting vilianized and destroyed by the FSU fanbase?
Just wondering, have you ever dealt with a close loved one who has been raped or nearly raped? Especially by a figure of power?
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:25 pm to lsupride87
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Yes it is a cluster in terms of the timing and everything else surrounding it. But that in no way means the TPD was part of some giant cover up
I agree that it may not have been a coverup. But that's why there's protocol. So you don't have to read the file over the phone to the SAO because TMZ has called you. So the chief knows about the allegations at some point before TMZ (even though the allegations were almost a year earlier).
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:26 pm to YStar
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So if he really raped her...... you cool with that? You're cool with her putting her self out there and getting vilianized and destroyed by the FSU fanbase?
How drunk are you?
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:27 pm to YStar
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So if he really raped her...... you cool with that? You're cool with her putting her self out there and getting vilianized and destroyed by the FSU fanbase?
Are you cool with him being falsely accused of rape? Of course not. So don't assume others are ok with rape.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:27 pm to YStar
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So if he really raped her...... you cool with that? You're cool with her putting her self out there and getting vilianized and destroyed by the FSU fanbase?
Just wondering, have you ever dealt with a close loved one who has been raped or nearly raped? Especially by a figure of power?
That's a pretty big strawman that you just made.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:30 pm to Majin Buu
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YStar
You are joining League Champs-tier stupidity in this thread.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:32 pm to the808bass
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Are you cool with him being falsely accused of rape? Of course not. So don't assume others are ok with rape.
I'm not, that is why I said it should go to court. Had there been no police nonsense and all this shady business I would think otherwise but from my own personal experience when police or even campus police botch, misplace or lose something is not without reason.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:32 pm to YStar
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Just wondering, have you ever dealt with a close loved one who has been raped or nearly raped? Especially by a figure of power?
Two can play that game if you're going to post hypotheticals.
You ever have someone falsely accuse someone close to you of rape and they lied about it?
There's no reason to go to court for every accusation ever made in the history of police reports. If there was something there, he'd be charged especially with the increased media focus and scrutiny.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:37 pm to tylercsbn9
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You ever have someone falsely accuse someone close to you of rape and they lied about it?
I just said I have seen both sides happen close to me not too many posts ago.
On the false rape accusations a friend of mine at another university was accused of rape. The girl didn't report him or his friends until rumors circulated that she was running trains with the team. It was so big the news ended up getting to her father who is a board member at this university. She justified the rumor by saying they raped her, they said she ran a train and did it previously. The university responded by suspending and throwing them off. They had to transfer to a lower division to finish school.
ETA: If this chick didn't immediately report, I would be hesitant to believe her. I know all about females, a lot are groupies getting wild then showing out when they're found out. She immediately reported though.
Also if the TPD hadn't botched this entire case I wouldn't believe there is more to this.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:39 pm to YStar
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I'm not, that is why I said it should go to court.
We just don't know, man. She could have had 50 inconsistencies in her story. She could have changed her story. WE don't know. I do have some confidence that a state's attorney isn't going to let a football player skate on a rape charge when it's this public.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:44 pm to the808bass
Put it like this, all I know is tomorrow somebody better be getting charged. If they have evidence he is innocent then that means she should be charged for a list of things starting with a false police report.
If you are saying you believe he is innocent and can't be charged then that means you're saying she mad this all up. If she did she should pay for it no differently than he would have to pay for a crime he committed.
If you are saying you believe he is innocent and can't be charged then that means you're saying she mad this all up. If she did she should pay for it no differently than he would have to pay for a crime he committed.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:45 pm to YStar
If there is something there, Meggs will charge him. If he's not charged, it means this chick did some shite after she reported it that would make it impossible to get a conviction.
Ask Travis Johnson about Meggs. He was prosecuted for raping a chick on the track team after they admittedly had a prior relationship. The cops may have fricked up, but Meggs isn't covering up anything IMO.
Ask Travis Johnson about Meggs. He was prosecuted for raping a chick on the track team after they admittedly had a prior relationship. The cops may have fricked up, but Meggs isn't covering up anything IMO.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:47 pm to tigerpimpbot
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He was prosecuted for raping a chick on the track team after they admittedly had a prior relationship.
Some would just argue having a previous relationship doesn't mean rape can't/didn't occur. In fact it would probably heighten the chance if dude is loose/crazy.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:50 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Ask Travis Johnson about Meggs. He was prosecuted for raping a chick on the track team after they admittedly had a prior relationship. The cops may have fricked up, but Meggs isn't covering up anything IMO.
FSU fricked that one up pretty royally, too. You would have thought they learned something.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:51 pm to YStar
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Some would just argue having a previous relationship doesn't mean rape can't/didn't occur. In fact it would probably heighten the chance if dude is loose/crazy.
He passed three polygraph exams and had two medical examiners tell investigators that her story didn't line up. Went to trial and got cleared in 30 minutes by an all female jury.
Sounds like you immediately have doubts when someone is cleared. I'm assuming you'll be in the number that immediately claims cover up if Winston is cleared.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:52 pm to tigerpimpbot
Meggs doesn't frick around. There is literally no chance he would cover anything up for FSU.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:52 pm to YStar
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Some would just argue having a previous relationship doesn't mean rape can't/didn't occur. In fact it would probably heighten the chance if dude is loose/crazy.
My point is that Meggs will go after Winston if there is something there, despite the fact that TPD fricked up the investigation initially.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:54 pm to tigerpimpbot
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My point is that Meggs will go after Winston if there is something there
Exactly. If he is cleared, I trust there is nothing there.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 7:56 pm to YStar
quote:Do you have any fricking clue how the justice system works?
f they have evidence he is innocent then that means she should be charged for a list of things starting with a false police report.
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