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re: NBA Offseason Thread | Media Day
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:15 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:15 am to Boomshockalocka
I thought your top 5 order was:
Harden
Harden
Harden
Harden
Harden
Because he spits hot fire.
Harden
Harden
Harden
Harden
Harden
Because he spits hot fire.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 10:16 am
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:16 am to Rep520
You don’t know me very well then. Hardwn is 4 for now. I have always ranked my players unbiased. Through an evaluators lense moreso than a fans lense.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:40 am to Boomshockalocka
SI's top lists are always a joke. Harden is not a top 5 player. Actually a case can be made that he's not even top 10, but he is definitely the most overrated player in the NBA today and that's not really up for debate.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 10:47 am to TheeRealCarolina
4 first team all nba in 5 years.
3 top 2 mvp in 4 years.
It is nearly impossible to make an argument that he is not top 5. Defensive metrics are very very good. I got him at 4 bc the other players have won at the highest levels. But hardwn is closer to the other three then anyone else is to him.
3 top 2 mvp in 4 years.
It is nearly impossible to make an argument that he is not top 5. Defensive metrics are very very good. I got him at 4 bc the other players have won at the highest levels. But hardwn is closer to the other three then anyone else is to him.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:00 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Every time Harden drops 9 points in a quarter you start saying he's close to being better than Lebron
You don’t know me very well then. Hardwn is 4 for now. I have always ranked my players unbiased. Through an evaluators lense moreso than a fans lense.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:04 am to ReauxlTide222
harden can be playing better than Lebron for a specific stretch of time and it can be true that he is playing better than Lebron. But when we rank guys like this we take everything into account. One good month or even one good season doesn’t enable you to jump guys who have done it for longer and proven they win at the highest levels. You always gotta have the respect for that first and foremost. Respect the league and the guys who have proven the can lead and win big. If you apply the same standard to all players then the pecking order is natural. That’s how you get
Bron
Kevin
Steph
Harden
IN that order. Then a tier line.
—————
Davis
Etx
Etx
Bron
Kevin
Steph
Harden
IN that order. Then a tier line.
—————
Davis
Etx
Etx
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:07 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Respect the league and the guys who have proven the can lead and win big. If you apply the same standard to all players then the pecking order is natural. That’s how you get
Bron
Kevin
Steph
Harden
Does not compute
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:08 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The best player outside of the big 4.
Jokes. That ends after 3. Harden belongs in the group with Davis, Giannis, Westbrook, and Paul as great players who haven't been able to put it together in the playoffs and make a legit run at a title.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:10 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Bron
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:13 am to Colonel Flagg
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Harden
5. Davis
I don't have a problem with that list.
Lebron is still the best, hands down.
KD is 2, can't argue.
Curry is 3, underrated recently because of Durant but he's such a far away amazing offensive juggernaut
Harden is 4, he's a damn good offensive talent. Yeah his defense isn't great but he's a ball handler so they automatically get credit there too.
Davis is 5, easily top 5 but I can see the arguments for the 4 above him. He's one of the best two way players in the league (arguably the best) but it's a ball handlers league so he won't get credit for being a big man.
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Harden
5. Davis
I don't have a problem with that list.
Lebron is still the best, hands down.
KD is 2, can't argue.
Curry is 3, underrated recently because of Durant but he's such a far away amazing offensive juggernaut
Harden is 4, he's a damn good offensive talent. Yeah his defense isn't great but he's a ball handler so they automatically get credit there too.
Davis is 5, easily top 5 but I can see the arguments for the 4 above him. He's one of the best two way players in the league (arguably the best) but it's a ball handlers league so he won't get credit for being a big man.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:22 am to Epic Cajun
Harden had CC TOP 10 all Time offense the last two seasons. He is at the level now where his presence ensures an elite all time offense.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:25 am to Boomshockalocka
Has he proven he can lead and win big?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:28 am to boom roasted
You tell me bubba. He lead his team to 65 wins without even good health. Gentleman sweep every team in the league. And only lost to GOAT in 7 bc his robin got nicked.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:29 am to boom roasted
Boom is doing some real D- level posting right now
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:31 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Harden had CC TOP 10 all Time offense the last two regular seasons. He is at the level now where his presence ensures an elite all time offense in the regular season.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:34 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Harden had CC TOP 10 all Time offense the last two seasons. He is at the level now where his presence ensures an elite all time offense.
My post was in regards to playoffs, where Harden is much worse than he is in the regular season. He's a regular season player bubba.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:37 am to boom roasted
quote:Why is AD never knocked for not winning anything?
Has he proven he can lead and win big?
Harden has never missed the playoffs in his entire career. He’s been to 2 conference finals in the West.
Even though he has not yet reached the Finals, he’s still shown he drives winning teams.
AD hadn’t even won a playoff game until this past season.
Harden isn’t given enough credit for being a winning basketball player. He has the personal accolades, but he also leads winning teams.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:40 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Actually a case can be made that he's not even top 10
Make the case, I'd like to hear it.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:42 am to Epic Cajun
Every player ever save for one or two is worse in the playoffs. Harden in the playoffs is still really really really good.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:49 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:That is a fair point, but one guy is 25 and the other 29, so that age difference also matters.
Why is AD never knocked for not winning anything?
quote:Well, he started his career with 2 future MVPs, compare that to AD, and I'm sure you can see the difference between Harden going to the playoffs every year his 1st few years vs AD not.
Harden has never missed the playoffs in his entire career.
quote:When do you think he would have won a playoff game if he came in his rookie season with 2 MVP level talents?
AD hadn’t even won a playoff game until this past season.
quote:True, but that's because of how often he shrinks in playoff games. He does it much more often than the guys he should be compared to, I've posted that with data a few times before.
Harden isn’t given enough credit for being a winning basketball player. He has the personal accolades, but he also leads winning teams.
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