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re: NBA Offseason Thread | Media Day
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:50 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:50 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Harden shrinks in more spots compared to his peers.
Every player ever save for one or two is worse in the playoffs
I think it was Prime used to use the explanation of him never having the great teammates around him, then he got Chris Paul, and still put up more terrible playoff games than the guys we compare him to, so that wasn't it.
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 11:56 am to shel311
Chris had never even made it out the second round til he joined up with James. Then he had Goat In a headlock til he tweaked his leg. this is an all time great sqaud. Mostly bc of James.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:00 pm to Boomshockalocka
Troll.....
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:01 pm to shel311
I'll give you the short argument because I really don't feel like doing the deep dive right now.
Harden gets all of these accolades for his scoring, but if you look at his shooting percentages, you'll see a player who is pretty much league average at all of the different ranges on the court. He gets credit for being this exceptional passer, but outside of his time with the Lakers, all of Dantoni's pgs average 10 or more apgs so that's nothing out of the ordinary. Granted he is a quality passer, but not nearly as great as the Mike Leach qb numbers would suggest and you have to factor in how reckless he is with the ball.
His defense is and always has been terrible. He's bottom quarter of the league bad. When your defensive lowlights tape is almost as if not as extensive than your offensive highlights tape then yeah you are terrible.
I will give him credit for being an exceptional free throw shooter, even if the reason why he is getting those shots is a direct results of the biggest problem the NBA has right now.
In short, he's a discount Steve Nash who takes much more shots but doesn't shoot them for any near the average he did. Nash was a borderline top ten player for a 3-4 year range, but can you honestly say that during those two mvp seasons he had he'd be a no doubt top ten player now? I can't. And literally the only thing Harden matches him in is free throw shooting.
Harden gets all of these accolades for his scoring, but if you look at his shooting percentages, you'll see a player who is pretty much league average at all of the different ranges on the court. He gets credit for being this exceptional passer, but outside of his time with the Lakers, all of Dantoni's pgs average 10 or more apgs so that's nothing out of the ordinary. Granted he is a quality passer, but not nearly as great as the Mike Leach qb numbers would suggest and you have to factor in how reckless he is with the ball.
His defense is and always has been terrible. He's bottom quarter of the league bad. When your defensive lowlights tape is almost as if not as extensive than your offensive highlights tape then yeah you are terrible.
I will give him credit for being an exceptional free throw shooter, even if the reason why he is getting those shots is a direct results of the biggest problem the NBA has right now.
In short, he's a discount Steve Nash who takes much more shots but doesn't shoot them for any near the average he did. Nash was a borderline top ten player for a 3-4 year range, but can you honestly say that during those two mvp seasons he had he'd be a no doubt top ten player now? I can't. And literally the only thing Harden matches him in is free throw shooting.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:01 pm to shel311
You don’t even have to count Harden’s OKC years.
His first season he was with the Rockets was the first time he’s led a team, and he led that team of Jeremy Lin, Omer Asik, Francisco Garcia, etc to 45 wins, the playoffs, and won two games against #1 seed OKC. And he was not anywhere near as skilled as he is now.
His teams just win.
His first season he was with the Rockets was the first time he’s led a team, and he led that team of Jeremy Lin, Omer Asik, Francisco Garcia, etc to 45 wins, the playoffs, and won two games against #1 seed OKC. And he was not anywhere near as skilled as he is now.
His teams just win.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
Are they giving out Larry’s for WCF appearances now?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:05 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:How many assists he averaged last season?
Harden gets all of these accolades for his scoring,
quote:Where does he rank in TS%?
but if you look at his shooting percentages, you'll see a player who is pretty much league average at all of the different ranges on the court.
quote:Didn't he avg 7+ APG before D'antoni?
He gets credit for being this exceptional passer, but outside of his time with the Lakers, all of Dantoni's pgs average 10 or more apgs so that's nothing out of the ordinary
quote:Discount? So Nash is better than Harden?
In short, he's a discount Steve Nash
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:And as I've already said, the reason he doesn't get as much credit for this is because of the fact that he has so many terrible playoff games compared to his peers.
His teams just win.
If he doesn't fix that, he will never get that credit for regular season success.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:You serious?
Why is AD never knocked for not winning anything?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:I'm asking you. You mentioned winning big. What's he won? (ETA: Besides awards and coming close, of course. No one doubts he's good at coming close.)
You tell me bubba.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:24 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:He sure does love him some moral victories.
Boom is doing some real D- level posting right now
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:25 pm to TheeRealCarolina
OK well, now name ten guys that are better than Harden.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:28 pm to boom roasted
The deja vu in these fricking threads...
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:33 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
Boom is doing some real D- level posting right now
Full offseason form
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:44 pm to castorinho
I'd probably put him around 9 or 10. To me these guys are clearly better than him:
KD
LeBron
Kawhi
Curry
Westbrook
Davis
Giannis
PG
If I could count on Embiid giving me 30 minutes a night for at least 70 games a year then slide him in behind Davis. Dude's basically played one season worth of minutes in his 4in the league so it's hard to really rank him. Harden is basically interchangeable with guys like Lilliard and Irving. You can build a team around them and make the playoffs, but you better have another top 20 player around them if you want to compete for anything.
KD
LeBron
Kawhi
Curry
Westbrook
Davis
Giannis
PG
If I could count on Embiid giving me 30 minutes a night for at least 70 games a year then slide him in behind Davis. Dude's basically played one season worth of minutes in his 4in the league so it's hard to really rank him. Harden is basically interchangeable with guys like Lilliard and Irving. You can build a team around them and make the playoffs, but you better have another top 20 player around them if you want to compete for anything.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:47 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Harden is basically interchangeable with guys like Lilliard and Irving.
quote:How many combined titles do the 8 guys you listed have without a top 20 player around them?
You can build a team around them and make the playoffs, but you better have another top 20 player around them if you want to compete for anything.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 12:57 pm to Mr. Elvert
I am not a titles mean everything kinda guy. You probably got Robert horry as an all timer don’t ya ....
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:03 pm to shel311
Irving and Lilliard are both better shooters than Harden and while neither are good or even average defenders, they are still better than he is. He has more assists than they do, but again almost all Dantoni pgs have great assist numbers.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:05 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:You think Irving and especially Lillard are better on defense than Harden?
and while neither are good or even average defenders, they are still better than he is.
Oh boy, it just got awkward.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:07 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:oh boy
Irving and Lilliard are both better shooters than Harden and while neither are good or even average defenders, they are still better than he is.
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