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re: Most Overrated Player In NBA History

Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:39 pm to
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I think he's the Wilt Chamberlain of his era.


This is exactly who LeBron is. Wilt who was also the leading scorer of all time before Kareem. Won less, choked on the big stage. Was a douche.

PS. I’m rooting for Bronnie James.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:40 pm to
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But he will arguably go down less accomplished than he could have been especially in championships.
Saying "especially in championships" insinuates that he also is less accomplished as an individual, which is wild.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:40 pm to
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Why would you include Havlicek and Cousy?

How many rings do they have?

Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:41 pm to
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Saying "especially in championships" insinuates that he also is less accomplished as an individual, which is wild.


Because his selfish playing for stats and image cost him. So not that wild.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:41 pm to
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How many rings do they have?

Kobe's 5-4 over Lebron, that HAS TO MATTER

Every other scenario you throw it them, "yea but rings don't matter that much"

Or, they run away like the one dude who refuses to answer the Bill Russell question
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:41 pm to
Wilt chamberlain has half the titles and 1/4th the finals mvps as Lebron.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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Because his selfish playing for stats and image cost him. So not that wild.

Can you tell me where you have Bill Russell ranked and who is ahead of him?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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Won less, choked on the big stage.

How many conference titles does Kobe have? Playoff victories?

Was Kobe ever as clutch as Lebron was against the Warriors? Did Kobe ever lead a team to a finals victory over a superior team, or did his superior team always win?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70500 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
Are you going to just deflect or will you answer?
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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Kobe's 5-4 over Lebron,


5-3
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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Are you going to just deflect or will you answer?

Why wouldn't they be included if winning stands the test of time? Did they not win?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112845 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:43 pm to
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ThanosIsADemocrat
Can you tell me where you have Bill Russell ranked and who is ahead of him?
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17568 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Remember the 4 times where I said he can make a list of guys he thinks are better than Lebron, but he can't argue logically why it is so, there ya go.


It's all so inconsistent. If you want to for Jordan being better than Lebron. I won't say anything. There can be a perfectly logical and reasonable argument for this.

When you try and say that there are 7 other people better than him. That's where it becomes laughable, especially when no one can come up with a logical argument as for why.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70500 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:44 pm to
They’re not elite alltime players though. Are we comparing them to Horry or Rodman or Ginobili? Again this is another deflection and double standard so you’re just proving my point that people like you have no clue what you’re even talking about.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111301 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:45 pm to
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When you try and say that there are 7 other people better than him. That's where it becomes laughable, especially when no one can come up with a logical argument as for why.
remember lnchbox said this is all made up and MAGA bros aren’t this irrational towards Lebron

Where is that clown today?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112845 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:45 pm to
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That's where it becomes laughable, especially when no one can come up with a logical argument as for why.
Especially when you just pretend things didn't happen and refuse to answer questions that will 100% contradict your entire premise.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26134 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Why wouldn't they be included if winning stands the test of time? Did they not win?


So, you aren't tired of 3 straight pages of you making the same point over and over which actually hinges upon taking the statement "at some point winning matters" and conflating it with "only winning matters"? We all get your point and got it 3 pages ago when you first made it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112845 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:47 pm to
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They’re not elite alltime players though. Are we comparing them to Horry or Rodman or Ginobili? Again this is another deflection and double standard so you’re just proving my point that people like you have no clue what you’re even talking about.

So # of titles can be overlooked in the case where 1 player is clearly better than another, is that what you're saying?
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:47 pm to
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Did Kobe ever lead a team to a finals victory over a superior team


If the indication is that the pre Durant Warriors were better than the Cavs of that time, and this is why I don’t take these arguments or the others in this thread seriously, they were not. LeBron was the best player and the Cavs were the better team built for playoff success with a 2-1 lead despite injuries to their 2 other offensive stars to start.
They were also better in 16 as the warriors were fools to chase a record (with an assistant sitting at the head spot).

The Heatles were favored too.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112845 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:47 pm to
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remember lnchbox said this is all made up and MAGA bros aren’t this irrational towards Lebron

I didn't see that, but that is definitely on brand
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