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re: MLB Trade Rumors: 07/31/17 Darvish/Cingrani to Dodgers, Kintzler to the Nats
Posted on 7/15/17 at 11:49 pm to devils1854
Posted on 7/15/17 at 11:49 pm to devils1854
buying low on profar is exactly what the braves should be doing, not doing whatever the frick you want to call trading for verlander
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Posted on 7/15/17 at 11:56 pm to WestCoastAg
Exactly
What would the braves sell to get him? They have minimal MLB assets
What would the braves sell to get him? They have minimal MLB assets
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:10 am to GynoSandberg
To get Profar?
I dont think it would even take a top 100 prospect.
Someone like Cristian Pache, Austin Riley, or Kyle Mueller should be a good deal at this point. Maybe even throw in a big lottery ticket like Derian Cruz or Ray-Patrick Didder and its probably a deal.
I dont think it would even take a top 100 prospect.
Someone like Cristian Pache, Austin Riley, or Kyle Mueller should be a good deal at this point. Maybe even throw in a big lottery ticket like Derian Cruz or Ray-Patrick Didder and its probably a deal.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:11 am to devils1854
I've learned that in trades, whatever you think it'll take, it will definitely be more than what you think it'll take.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:15 am to devils1854
If I had to guess what could possibly go down for the Braves
Sonny Gray for Ozzie Albies(top 25 prospect), Mike Soroka(top 50 prospect), Travis Demeritte(top 10-15 Braves prospect), and Kyle Mueller(2016 2nd round pick)
then
Jurickson Profar for Cristian Pache and PTBNL(Drew Waters)
That would give the Braves a 2018 lineup of
1.Inciarte(CF)
2.Acuna(RF)
3.Freeman(3B)
4.Kemp(LF)
5.Adams(1B)
6.Flowers(C)
7.Profar/Camargo(2B)
8.Swanson(SS)
SP:Gray
SP:Teheran
SP:Foltynewicz
SP:Newcomb
SP:Dickey
Prospects
1.Maitan
2.Allard
3.Anderson
4.Gohara
5.Wright
Sonny Gray for Ozzie Albies(top 25 prospect), Mike Soroka(top 50 prospect), Travis Demeritte(top 10-15 Braves prospect), and Kyle Mueller(2016 2nd round pick)
then
Jurickson Profar for Cristian Pache and PTBNL(Drew Waters)
That would give the Braves a 2018 lineup of
1.Inciarte(CF)
2.Acuna(RF)
3.Freeman(3B)
4.Kemp(LF)
5.Adams(1B)
6.Flowers(C)
7.Profar/Camargo(2B)
8.Swanson(SS)
SP:Gray
SP:Teheran
SP:Foltynewicz
SP:Newcomb
SP:Dickey
Prospects
1.Maitan
2.Allard
3.Anderson
4.Gohara
5.Wright
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 12:23 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:37 am to devils1854
Soroka isn't going anywhere. He is one the untouchables in the Braves minor league systems. Soroka has solidified himself as the number 1 pitching prospect for the Braves. He'd only be inlcuded in a deal for someone of a higher caliber than Gray. I'd do Albies, Wentz, and Fried for Gray.
Also, no way Drew Waters is a PTBNL in any deal. Dude is a legit 5 tool athlete and is raking in his first month in minors. I think we trade a bullpen guy for Profar. Immediate help for Rangers, Braves taking another risk on a high-upside prospect.
Also, no way Drew Waters is a PTBNL in any deal. Dude is a legit 5 tool athlete and is raking in his first month in minors. I think we trade a bullpen guy for Profar. Immediate help for Rangers, Braves taking another risk on a high-upside prospect.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 12:38 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:36 am to OMFGKenny
Braves has 3 untouchables. Acuna, Allard, and Maitan.
Soroka isnt the best pitching prospect. That would be Allard, and many consider Anderson a better prosect because he has a higher upside.
Soroka isnt as highly regarded because he he doesnt profile as a top of the rotation starter because right now he doesnt have an out pitch.
I could care less about Waters doing well in the GCL. He's still not one of our top 20 prospects, and has upside that could get us something descent in return.
Soroka isnt the best pitching prospect. That would be Allard, and many consider Anderson a better prosect because he has a higher upside.
Soroka isnt as highly regarded because he he doesnt profile as a top of the rotation starter because right now he doesnt have an out pitch.
I could care less about Waters doing well in the GCL. He's still not one of our top 20 prospects, and has upside that could get us something descent in return.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:38 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:08 am to devils1854
Shanks (who obviously has good minor league connections within the system if nothing else based on breaking the Acuna and Maitan promotions) stated recently that the Braves prefer Soroka over Allard internally.
I would not consider any of the pitching prospects untouchable though. Acuna and Maitan are the only guys untouchable imo.
To me Soroka/Allard/Gohara/Wright are the top 4 in some order. All clear top 50 prospects.
Anderson/Newcomb/Wentz in the next tier. Wentz rising based on his velo returning.
After that Fried/Touki/Muller/Wilson/Weigel (due to the TJ)
Sims/Wisler/Blair/Sanchez/Pike, etc. are interesting but org filler to me.
I would not consider any of the pitching prospects untouchable though. Acuna and Maitan are the only guys untouchable imo.
To me Soroka/Allard/Gohara/Wright are the top 4 in some order. All clear top 50 prospects.
Anderson/Newcomb/Wentz in the next tier. Wentz rising based on his velo returning.
After that Fried/Touki/Muller/Wilson/Weigel (due to the TJ)
Sims/Wisler/Blair/Sanchez/Pike, etc. are interesting but org filler to me.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:19 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:16 am to devils1854
Pache and Waters is way too much for 2 1/3 years of Profar. It will likely be for Viz+Garcia+Didder or something like that.
Pache is a borderline top 100 guy according to both Longenhagen and Sickels and was recently ranked the 2nd best prospect in the SALLY.
I think he is our 4th best position prospect pretty clearly.
They just paid $1.5M to Waters and he is also borderline top 20 in the org.
Jurickson Profar is making $1M+, has only two more years of control after this one and has been worth negative WAR in his career. He is worth nothing close to a top 100ish prospect and a 2nd round pick you just paid a million and a half to.
Pache is a borderline top 100 guy according to both Longenhagen and Sickels and was recently ranked the 2nd best prospect in the SALLY.
I think he is our 4th best position prospect pretty clearly.
They just paid $1.5M to Waters and he is also borderline top 20 in the org.
Jurickson Profar is making $1M+, has only two more years of control after this one and has been worth negative WAR in his career. He is worth nothing close to a top 100ish prospect and a 2nd round pick you just paid a million and a half to.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:18 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:47 am to WestCoastAg
Taking on Verlander's entire contract to lessen the prospect haul needed to land Fulmer would be the only way Verlander would make sense.
Fulmer is worth ~$150M in surplus value. Verlander is worth somewhere around
negative $30M if you are taking on his entire contract.
So the value of those 2 is ~$120M. Based on FG's prospect value chart something like Verlander and Fulmer for Albies ($60M)+Allard ($22M)+Newcomb ($22M)+Muller ($14M) would make sense for both sides.
Fulmer is worth ~$150M in surplus value. Verlander is worth somewhere around
negative $30M if you are taking on his entire contract.
So the value of those 2 is ~$120M. Based on FG's prospect value chart something like Verlander and Fulmer for Albies ($60M)+Allard ($22M)+Newcomb ($22M)+Muller ($14M) would make sense for both sides.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:49 am
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:45 am to volfan30
quote:
Shanks (who obviously has good minor league connections within the system if nothing else based on breaking the Acuna and Maitan promotions) stated recently that the Braves prefer Soroka over Allard internally.
I would not consider any of the pitching prospects untouchable though. Acuna and Maitan are the only guys untouchable imo.
To me Soroka/Allard/Gohara/Wright are the top 4 in some order. All clear top 50 prospects.
Anderson/Newcomb/Wentz in the next tier. Wentz rising based on his velo returning.
After that Fried/Touki/Muller/Wilson/Weigel (due to the TJ)
Sims/Wisler/Blair/Sanchez/Pike, etc. are interesting but org filler to me.
I seriously hope that the organization doesnt see Allard and Soroka in the same light.
Allard already has a out pitch. He might have a few problems with a third pitch, but his off speed pitch(Curve) is already a very good pitch.
Soroka might be more polished with three descent piches, but none of the pitches grade out as plus.
I have a Gio Gonzalez comp for Allard. Thats someone who has had 6 years of 3 WAR or better with one 5 year season.
Soroka on the other hand, looks more like Mike Leake, or someone that is a 2 WAR player for his career.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:12 am to devils1854
Shanks inferred that it was velo related. Said Allard has been 87-91 this year, topping out at 93, while Soroka has been 90-93 and touched 96.
I have not seen Soroka live this year but Allard was sitting at 88-89 most of the night I saw him pitch back in late April. Was effective and the curve was ++ but the changeup was not really a useable pitch at all.
I think Soroka is almost a sure thing to be a mid-rotation guy in the big leagues. Allard could be a #2 but the frame is a little worrisome. Not sure what to make of the velo because he was low 90s last year in August when I saw him in Rome.
I have not seen Soroka live this year but Allard was sitting at 88-89 most of the night I saw him pitch back in late April. Was effective and the curve was ++ but the changeup was not really a useable pitch at all.
I think Soroka is almost a sure thing to be a mid-rotation guy in the big leagues. Allard could be a #2 but the frame is a little worrisome. Not sure what to make of the velo because he was low 90s last year in August when I saw him in Rome.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:25 am to volfan30
Price on verlander will not be high, especially if you eat his deal.
I'm sure it's like Stanton, team is begging you to take the contract, the return isn't expected to be much more than a bag of balls/etc
I'm sure it's like Stanton, team is begging you to take the contract, the return isn't expected to be much more than a bag of balls/etc
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:42 am to volfan30
Saw Soroka in the futures game. He was by far the least impressive of any pitcher as far as pure stuff. He does have some pitchability.
I think Gohara is prob the best in that system. Pitching really well as a 20yr old at AA. Best pure stuff
I think Gohara is prob the best in that system. Pitching really well as a 20yr old at AA. Best pure stuff
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:43 am to SeeeeK
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Orioles right-hander Brad Brach may be receiving more trade interest than closer Zach Britton, as there is “heavy traffic on” Brach’s services, MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko reports
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Rays asked the Marlins about relief pitching when the two sides were negotiating the Adeiny Hechavarria trade last month, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times writes.
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Also from Topkin, he reports that one team (not necessarily the Marlins) asked the Rays for both Brent Honeywell and Willy Adames in exploratory discussions about relievers.
quote:
The Cubs checked in on Chris Archer and Marcus Stroman during their wide-ranging search for young and controllable pitching, Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com writes.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:49 am to VinegarStrokes
quote:
What the frick do the braves want jurickson profar for? I call bullshite on that
Buying low on a young player with potential
See: Matt Adams & Inciarte
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:01 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Sources: #Nationals acquiring Doolittle and Madson from #Athletics for Treinen and two prospects.
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Prospects headed to #Athletics from #Nationals are LH Jesus Lazardo and 3B Sheldon Neuse. Those two plus Treinen for Doolittle, Madson.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:10 pm to The Truth 34
wow, this coming off a night where their pen was able to save that 10 run lead? their pen is stacked now
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:10 pm to The Truth 34
The A's got the Nats #6 and #10 prospects. If I'm Luhnow I'm calling ASAP about Gray
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:11 pm to WestCoastAg
Sure is 
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