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re: MLB Trade Rumors: 07/31/17 Darvish/Cingrani to Dodgers, Kintzler to the Nats

Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:54 pm to
Matz is back. I just have zero confidence he will ever stay healthy for a full year.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:55 pm to
I wouldn't trust any of them to stay healthy right now
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:00 pm to
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2016 they had an actual good offense
the mets were 18th in OPS+ in 2016
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2015 their offense transformed once they obtained Cespedes.
fangraphs is down right now and i dont know how to manipulate baseball reference but i wouldnt be surprised if they were league average or slightly below league average in offense after they acquired cespedes in 2015
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Plus health has been key
as it is with every single pitching rotation
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:04 pm to
They are considerably more dependent on theirs than a normal team. That's the problem with building around a young rotation like they did.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:08 pm to
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the mets were 18th in OPS+ in 2016
They were top 5 in home runs and slugging... Which helped a great deal obviously.

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angraphs is down right now and i dont know how to manipulate baseball reference but i wouldnt be surprised if they were league average or slightly below league average in offense after they acquired cespedes in 201


First half .233/.298/.363 .660 OPS
Second half .257/.319/.411 .770 OPS

Now Cespedes was acquired on July 31
August: .269/.337/.479
Sept/Oct: .253/.329/.445
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted by Bumble Bee
Northwest, La
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:11 pm to
One main problem with the Mets, is they are too dependent on the HR. No gap/line drive hitters. A bunch of "swing for the fences" guys in the lineup. David Write's continuing health issues are a factor as well and the ownership is cheap.

The team needs some young hitters. NY fans are flocking back to the Bronx thanks to that Judge kid.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:13 pm to
Agreed
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:13 pm to
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They were top 5 in home runs and slugging... Which helped a great deal obviously.

And overall their offense was below league average
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:15 pm to
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Now Cespedes was acquired on July 31
August: .269/.337/.479
Sept/Oct: .253/.329/.445
I was never arguing against them being better with him. Just that they weren't "good"
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:15 pm to
Grabbing a young pitcher (Martes) an OF (Tucker) a C (Davis) and a corner IF (Moran) would be key for their rebuilding. Of course they could get more than just those names I threw out there but it would help moving forward with Confornto, Robales, and Nimmo.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:17 pm to
Trading degrom may require some major league talent
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:17 pm to
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I was never arguing against them being better with him. Just that they weren't "good"
but they were good when it counted down the stretch. They don't need a great offense they need to be average and become above average when it counts.
We've seen that countless times during the WC era, teams are middle of the road then they hit a hot streak and make noise in the playoffs.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:18 pm to
Bregman or Marwin
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102333 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:19 pm to
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C (Davis)


I assume you're referring to the Astro's JD Davis. He's actually a 3B/1B/DH type. Although he's played a smattering of the corner outfield this year.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:19 pm to
And their rotation is why they were even in that situation to begin with

It is what it is. If I were the Mets, im not considering anything in my rotation unless I'm blown away by someone trying to get Harvey. Im giving it at least one more year
Posted by dhav14
Member since Jun 2014
9547 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:20 pm to
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Marwin

Blasphemy
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:20 pm to
Yea probably
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:21 pm to
oops yeah got him and Stubbs mixed up
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:23 pm to
I really expect to see a deal happen today
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102333 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:24 pm to
In a vacuum, I'd love to have DeGrom. But when I consider the team in its current state and weigh the costs of acquiring DeGrom vs someone like Sonny Gray, I think I lean towards Gray.

This is already a very good team without an upgrade. DeGrom certainly might put us over the top as a favorite. But are we also made better by what would be a very solid #3 and rotation stabilizer in Gray? He'd be pricey in his own right but maybe not on the same level as DeGrom.
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