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re: MLB rejects Union proposal, no counter
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:55 am to Lsuhoohoo
Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:55 am to Lsuhoohoo
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I would take this as a terrible sign: MLB usually makes offer with a presentation. MLB made written offer this morning and union said no need for a presenation.
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Every day that goes by without an agreement, the length of the season drops. And after hearing from players already about this proposal, the prospect of a 48-game season is looking likelier. They've been asked to respond by Wednesday, according to sources.
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One high-ranking official today said, in no uncertain terms: “There will be baseball.” The question is: Will it be with the sides agreeing to a deal or with the league implementing a 48-game schedule, no expanded playoffs and almost certainly a grievance filed by the union?
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In full season players would have received $4.12B in salary (not include benefits, accrue sign bonus, etc), pure paychecks
MLB’s offers:
48 game proposal -- $1.206B/29 pct
82-g proposal $1.236B -- 30 pct
$1.431B — 34 pct. But that assumes about $500M if postseason fully played
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MLB knows now that no way it can start July 4 weekend. The 76-game proposal will last about a week. Feels like moving toward 48-54 game season that MLB believes players are obligated to play as long as full prorated salaries are paid.
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Few items have become obvious from MLB side: 1. Not going to give 100 pct proration. 2. Determined to play a season of at least 48 games. 3. Will not go beyond Sept close to reg season. 4. Will make some concessions to try to help free agent markets as compromise
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To put numbers to the owners' new proposal: If a player was to make $10 million in 2020 pre-pandemic, he would get $2.96m under 48-game season concept (full pro-rata), and $3.52m under new 76-game proposal by owners. There is also money shared from postseason TV.
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MLBPA does not see much of a concession by MLB on $ here. Players’ guarantee is for only half their prorated salary. Then only get half of the other 50 pct if the playoffs are completed. At best losing 25 pct of prorated salary.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:06 am to thunderbird1100
They're staunch on we want full prorated salaries and to play more games or no dice though.
Only issue I see here is the only 50% if no postseason thing. Get that off the table and you're close to as best as you can get because BOTH sides need to be taking a loss if most places won't be allowing fans. But nah, we're too worried about acting like petulant children and possibly giving ourselves consequences economically beginning in 2021 free agency.
Only issue I see here is the only 50% if no postseason thing. Get that off the table and you're close to as best as you can get because BOTH sides need to be taking a loss if most places won't be allowing fans. But nah, we're too worried about acting like petulant children and possibly giving ourselves consequences economically beginning in 2021 free agency.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:42 am to SECFan1995
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Like in previous proposal, the player pay decreases to 50% of prorated pay if there’s no postseason. This time it goes to 50 from 75%. Last time to 50% from 60. In any case, player/agent reax to new proposal generally is not positive. Reax ranges from “small step” to “trash”
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Easiest way to look at MLB's current offer: Best-case, the players would receive $1.432 billion. A 57-game season at full pro rata salaries would be $1.4319 billion. Factoring in the lack of draft-pick comp, estimated worth $50-100M, would move it to 59 to 61 games full pro rata.
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Besides the $$, MLB's proposal includes a revision to the Operations Manual that says players would have to sign an "acknowledgment of risk" before playing. Players believe it is designed to undermine their right to challenge MLB if it fails to provide a safe working environment.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:43 am to tduecen
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Initial reax of players to MLB proposal: Not thrilled with it. Not at all.
Baseball is dead if they don’t accept.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:44 am to tduecen
The owners just keep offering the same thing over and over and acting like they're negotiating.
They're trying to not have a season.
They're trying to not have a season.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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Besides the $$, MLB's proposal includes a revision to the Operations Manual that says players would have to sign an "acknowledgment of risk" before playing. Players believe it is designed to undermine their right to challenge MLB if it fails to provide a safe working environment.
This goes back to my thoughts about leveraging service time if a deal is made. Players want the option to opt out of playing a short season and would utilize the “health and safety of family members” as part of the COVID-19 safety and service time language in the March agreement.
It was clear in MLBPA’s counter that they want to be able to opt-out and still receive 100% service time even if they don’t have a high-risk physical health complication. They know MLB and the owners have the upper hand in determining what qualifies as a high-risk family member as the parameters for such were never laid out.
The health and safety plan MLB presented in May does provide some insight into what the expectations would be for social interactions with family members however.
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*While players will not be officially quarantined, members of the traveling party are not to leave the hotel unless they receive advance approval from team personnel. The only people permitted to visit players’ rooms are immediate family members. Socializing with other family members or friends is discouraged, but not entirely prohibited.
I’m not trying to discount the importance of their families’ health, but it’s obvious that can be a useful exit strategy clause if a season were started and players could sit with a guaranteed paycheck and service time by provoking concerns of the health of non-immediate family members. It’s just a very tough hill to climb given that even federal legislation didn’t permit leave for non-dependent family members.
TLDR - I think this is more than just about the $$$ being offered this season at this point. I do believe some players “just want to play baseball” but I believe there’s a large contingent that isn’t interested at this point yet they still want protections from opting out should the season resume.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:23 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:and if this is the case then yes. this is squarely on the players
But somebody tell me more about how it's the owners greed that's holding up the season. The players aren't making a good faith effort in anyway to negotiate.
eta: i misread this proposal. no, not really on them
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:56 pm to ProjectP2294
I’m convinced the 2020 MLB season is dead.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:57 pm to Willie Stroker
its just going to be a 48 game season that could have been avoided had the owners simply proved that they cant afford prorated pay
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:19 pm to WestCoastAg
There are a lot of fans that will bitch and complain about the players not taking a revenue split without acknowledging that the owners won't even tell the players what streams of revenue were going to apply to the split.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:51 pm to Allthatfades
Why even have the draft right now
Where are these players going to go to play
They need to move draft to August at this point
Where are these players going to go to play
They need to move draft to August at this point
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:56 pm to nicholastiger
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They need to move draft to August at this point
That's going to happen, possibly as soon as next year.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:58 pm to ProjectP2294
But really Wednesday is gonna be weird
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:00 pm to WestCoastAg
I love the MLB draft, especially days 2 and 3. It's one of my favorite times each year. And this year was supposed to be really cool with the draft being in Omaha leading up to the CWS and having a bunch of players there.
Now it's just going to be sad.
Now it's just going to be sad.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:17 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:that baseball fandom is driven by the teams over individual players, unlike the NBA
what does that have to do with anything
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:45 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:i love how this is getting a bunch of upvotes but every single post going "not really" is getting downvoted. this. place
But somebody tell me more about how it's the owners greed that's holding up the season. The players aren't making a good faith effort in anyway to negotiate.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:52 am to WestCoastAg
Covid is over
No reason they can't start the season in July and have no restrictions on crowds
Start July 1st with full crowds and play half a season. Why is this so hard
No reason they can't start the season in July and have no restrictions on crowds
Start July 1st with full crowds and play half a season. Why is this so hard
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:55 am to Pelican fan99
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Start July 1st with full crowds and play half a season. Why is this so hard
MLB is not able to overrule the law of local governments
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:19 am to WestCoastAg
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love how this is getting a bunch of upvotes but every single post going "not really" is getting downvoted. this. place
Not really
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:19 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
The same local governments that are celebrating mass protests larger than many MLB crowds?
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