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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:
This is reasonable.
I agree.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:13 pm to lsupride87
I didn't make an issue. I don't know what your stance is on this, and I don't really care.
I was just pointing out the error in one point that you made.
I was just pointing out the error in one point that you made.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:16 pm to lsupride87
quote:
he did say that Villanueva went against his wishes
Which Villanueva did. And I honestly would have done the same thing in his shoes.
quote:
I disagree with asking Villanueva to stay in the tunnel
Agree with you. Like I said, it's very tough to ask a vet to do that, IMO. I know why Roll on did it and actually agree with his reasoning, but he's in the odd position of having unique personnel.
quote:
it seems that in today's world, you can't disagree with someone without people making a huge issue out of it. It's weird to me
The art of respectful debate has been lost.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
JUST IN: Steelers lineman Alejandro Villanueva is the best selling NFL jersey & T-shirt over the last 24 hours, according to @Fanatics
LINK
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:17 pm to tduecen
I don't feel Tomlin should not be vilified for his remarks about the team, he was asked a question and responded truthfully. Could have have chosen a little better wording, yes, but he answered the question.
The team made a decision to take themselves out of the protesting situation by not going out to the field and that is completely fine by me. However, as slackster posted, it seems that many of his teammates understood the situation of Alejandro Villanueva being a West Point graduate, Bronze Star recipient, and completing 3 tours. If I am not mistaken, Villaneuva is the only active NFL player who served in the armed forces, so this is a special case which many of the teammates realize.
Tomlin is correct in wanting the team to be unified and have 100% participation in the decision the team made, however it puts Villaneuva in an extremely difficult situation. Personally, I feel the best situation would have been an announcement made that the team was staying in, but Villaneuva as a former military member is the exception to the decision.
The team made a decision to take themselves out of the protesting situation by not going out to the field and that is completely fine by me. However, as slackster posted, it seems that many of his teammates understood the situation of Alejandro Villanueva being a West Point graduate, Bronze Star recipient, and completing 3 tours. If I am not mistaken, Villaneuva is the only active NFL player who served in the armed forces, so this is a special case which many of the teammates realize.
Tomlin is correct in wanting the team to be unified and have 100% participation in the decision the team made, however it puts Villaneuva in an extremely difficult situation. Personally, I feel the best situation would have been an announcement made that the team was staying in, but Villaneuva as a former military member is the exception to the decision.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:21 pm to tduecen
Wait, Alejandro Villanueva is supposed to respect players' right to kneel or skip the national anthem, but his coach can't respect his right to participate in it? This is fricking horse shite and I have a problem with it.
"I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team"
Now let's reword this:
"I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our country"
Sound familiar? Hypocrisy at it finest.
"I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team"
Now let's reword this:
"I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our country"
Sound familiar? Hypocrisy at it finest.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:22 pm to kadillak
quote:I think people are wrong saying the protests won't hurt viewership/attendance
JUST IN: Steelers lineman Alejandro Villanueva is the best selling NFL jersey & T-shirt over the last 24 hours, according to @Fanatics
We will see
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:24 pm to sms151t
No
He put the group above him
He stepped up when the rest were cowards
He put the group above him
He stepped up when the rest were cowards
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:24 pm to tduecen
Sounds like Tomlin just worded things poorly. He probably didn't want anyone coming out because it would look like everyone else was protesting the anthem, which they weren't based on Tomlin's pregame comments.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:31 pm to KillerNut9
quote:Here's another example of hypocrisy. No offense, but words are words. Tomlin is responsible for them.
Sounds like Trump just worded things poorly.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:35 pm to tduecen
Tomlin's pussy still hurts over Trump winning Pennsylvania after all that time and effort he put into the Hillary campaign.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Nope
I have got out of my car several times while it came on as I would leave post
I have got out of my car several times while it came on as I would leave post
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I know. I am actually agreeing with him I am saying though, the kneeling situation has now made a big deal out of an army ranger standing for the anthem.....
Agreed. I actually agree with what tomlin did and think that Villanueva is virtue signaling and making the rest of his teammates who didn't do the same look bad when many of them would have no intention of kneeling had they been on the field. OTOH where tomlin/NFL went wrong was not doing this long ago. If they had done this when the trend started they could have killed an issue that continues to blow up. It also could have prevented a situation where vilanueva felt the need to do this
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:54 pm to kadillak
quote:
JUST IN: Steelers lineman Alejandro Villanueva is the best selling NFL jersey & T-shirt over the last 24 hours, according to @Fanatics
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:56 pm to Adam Banks
He didn't feel the need to do anything
He went and executed
Rangers lead the way
He went and executed
Rangers lead the way
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:56 pm to lsucoonass
This whole thing is so bizarre for me. I grew up mostly in a city that'd play retreat so loudly that you can hear it off base. And people would stop their cars in respect. Our biggest basketball star at the time would stand at attention before every game.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:57 pm to tduecen
In before some upset whitey.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:59 pm to the_watcher
quote:
Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position? Why wouldn't his football team be respectful of their own teammate who served 3 tours in Afghanistan and stand for the anthem with him?
I think in this case you're off the mark.
This is just me making an educated guess but I imagine it went something like this:
- Tomlin says they all need to be unified on the anthem, stand, sit, kneel, arms interlocked, hand over heart etc....
- Some guys argued they wanted to kneel (probably lead by James Harrison)
- Some guys argued they wanted to stand (probably lead by Alejandro Villanueva)
- They couldn't all agree so they all agreed to stay in the locker room, essentially doing nothing
- Villanueva came out and stood anyway out of respect for his country as a veteran
I get what Mike Tomlin is saying about respecting team wishes and stuff. That being said this is a really bad issue to even get involved in the slightest, it's so damn political
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:00 pm to Tiger1242
I think you're pretty close to what actually happened.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:02 pm to tduecen
So, he has a problem with free speech when it's not a cause he believes in?
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