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tduecen
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Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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For Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, being “respectful of our football team” trumped the right of Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva to show respect for the national anthem.


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“Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team,” Tomlin said.


Not sure if this a slight, but some in the media is running with it

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Kramer26
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Not a smart decision by the coach


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SCLSUMuddogs
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
I just want to watch football damnit! There is simply no escaping politics anymore


Chad504boy
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TH03
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
That's a little fricked up if true. Dude deployed to afgahnistan.



On further review, he didn't say shite about him specifically and it didn't sound like he implied anything about him.
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ReauxlTide222
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Can we get some context?


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ColeLSU
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team


That guy had friends dying beside him in battle, and Tomlin's worried about his football team..... Tomlin can get fricked with the rest of them.

I agree with keeping your team out of sight, thats actually probably smart. But to call him out for doing that was likely a bad mistake


sms151t
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
I have somewhat a problem with Villanueva on this.

He is an West Point grad, which is why he did this. But you go to his Ranger training and values, which is group first. He put himself over his team. Now here is the tricky part, he wasn't really on the field, so he did not make it about himself. But the photo is clear he is in sight. The team apparently voted to stay in.

Tomlin said he did not want politics involved and they were one and just came to play "a damn football game".


I appreciate what both are saying/doing.
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slackster
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
I'm sure he wanted 100% participation, which is why they stayed in the tunnel.

I don't think he's too worried with Villanueva on a personal level though. He'd rather them all do it together, but if one guy is going to come out, he's the one to do it.


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the_watcher
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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For Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, being “respectful of our football team” trumped the right of Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva to show respect for the national anthem.


Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position? Why wouldn't his football team be respectful of their own teammate who served 3 tours in Afghanistan and stand for the anthem with him?


TH03
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Is it group over country though?

The guy has a bronze star. I have no problem with him coming out.


JJ27
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Why wouldn't his football team be respectful of their own teammate who served 3 tours in Afghanistan and stand for the anthem with him?



This is the question. The answer will be, "It's not about the troops. We love the troops."


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JS87
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Tomlin is a POS black lives matter supporter.


buckeye_vol
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Tomlin is a POS black lives matter supporter.
Link? He doesn't strike me as a BLM supporter, so unless you have a link, it seems like you're basing this on something else.


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sms151t
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Is it group over country though?


In that situation, I think so. Because staying in for the National Anthem does not put you or anyone else in front of criticism.

We, as football fans, know Villanueva's story. This now is going to possibly tear a team apart in some way. Tomlin was trying to prevent that, I feel.

I get both guys perspective on this, but at times the group is greater than the individual.
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ColeLSU
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position?


Exactly. If you have a problem with him standing, why not have a problem with a few kneeling???


TH03
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
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Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position?


Tomlin's logic isn't for or against the kneeling. His logic is to not let anyone make a big stink about one of his players doing whatever during the anthem. Good or bad. Villanueva came out, which made it a story.


I don't agree with Tomlin, but I understand his logic.


ThePTExperience1969
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
I understand Mike's position considering he doesn't want much division on the team since essentially the entire team agreed to remain in the tunnel during the Anthem and he is the head man so apparently Villanueva was able to convince him to permit this expression, really depends on context but thats what I'm inferring. Now from a PR standpoint, this is a VERY precarious position for Tomlin to be in considering how divisive this issue is.


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zsav77
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
If that's really Tomlin's stance and there's no media spin on this, he's a total dickbag and deserves zero respect.


TH03
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re: Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Makes sense.

I get what Tomlin was trying to do, but I don't really have a problem with Villanueva. I don't know if he talked to teammates about it or anything either.


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