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re: Michigan NOA draft from NCAA cites new coach Moore as violator of rules
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:28 am to Buckeye06
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:28 am to Buckeye06
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They cheated, that isn't up for debate.
That only means something if they broke an actual rule, if not, then it's exploiting a loophole and you're just butthurt about it
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But to act like they didn't gain an advantage from an action they decided to do 58 separate times, while these actions were funded either by the schools or boosters, is just absurd.
Like all those other big time schools who allegedly or actually broke rules in the past or present? Get out of your glass house, Buckeye stan
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:56 am to Lsuhoohoo
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Michigan gonna have to vacate 2023. Therefore they didn't beat Alabama. Therefore Alabama played in the National Championship where they beat Washington. Therefore Alabama is your 2023 National Champions of the World!
Let’s be honest. They’ve hung banners for less.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:02 am to elprez00
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Michigan gonna have to vacate 2023.
I'm reading that's reportedly off the table per people like Thamel and that ilk. With Moore as the only individual mentioned in the NOA who's still at Michigan, the NCAA is basically standing around with its dick in its hand.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:57 am to GoGators1995
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Why can't Michigan fans admit that they cheated? Still pulling the whole "Michigan Man" crap.
because what they did was NOT cheating. the only reason a rule was implemented to discourage/prohibit scouting during games was that the poverty programs who didn't have the big funding/resources starting b*tching and wanted a "level playing field," so the NCAA acquiesced to them
what UM did was just hire some 3rd party people to record signals of opposing coaches with their iPhones during games that 85k other fans had the same access to. the fact that the recordings were done by 3rd party personnel isn't even against NCAA rules, so technically, no ACTUAL rules were broken
as a sidepoint, not one diehard CFB fan knew about this rule before it was brought up. it's all faux outrage. i actually assumed asst coaches did this anyways. (i.e. if there's a noon game in Ann arbor and it ends at 3:30pm, they could drive to columbus/East lansing and purchase tickets (that you and I could) for a night game and scout them at their game, while taking notes/recording some video footage with their phones)
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:05 am to Chair45
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as a sidepoint, not one diehard CFB fan knew about this rule before it was brought up. it's all faux outrage.
had this happened to any other school it would have been a non-story after awhile but Michigan fans are self-righteous and pompous douchebags that think their school is above breaking recruiting violations
for example
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“It’s hard to beat the cheaters,” Harbaugh
for years, Michigan fans claimed the only thing between greatness and them was the cheating that goes on everywhere else in basketball and football. Not Michigan, Michigan would never pay players or break NCAA rules
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:07 am to Chair45
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because what they did was NOT cheating. the only reason a rule was implemented to discourage/prohibit scouting during games was that the poverty programs who didn't have the big funding/resources starting b*tching and wanted a "level playing field," so the NCAA acquiesced to them
what UM did was just hire some 3rd party people to record signals of opposing coaches with their iPhones during games that 85k other fans had the same access to. the fact that the recordings were done by 3rd party personnel isn't even against NCAA rules, so technically, no ACTUAL rules were broken
as a sidepoint, not one diehard CFB fan knew about this rule before it was brought up. it's all faux outrage. i actually assumed asst coaches did this anyways. (i.e. if there's a noon game in Ann arbor and it ends at 3:30pm, they could drive to columbus/East lansing and purchase tickets (that you and I could) for a night game and scout them at their game, while taking notes/recording some video footage with their phones)
That's been my position all along and I don't even cheer for U of M, I assumed that going to opponents games and scouting those games, like a scouting service every school hires btw, was the norm because how else would you prepare for opponents on game week? Just go in blind-folded? This is all faux outrage ridiculousness disseminated by rivals. Like Pete Thamel said, Michigan's accomplishments are safe the NCAA will be standing around with its dick in its hand.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:09 am to Dire Wolf
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had this happened to any other school it would have been a non-story after awhile but Michigan fans are self-righteous and pompous douchebags that think their school is above breaking recruiting violations
You do realize that the Fab Five years are scrubbed from the annals of NCAA history due to recruiting violations on Michigan's behalf right?
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:09 am to Chair45
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what UM did was just hire some 3rd party people to record signals of opposing coaches with their iPhones during games that 85k other fans had the same access to. the fact that the recordings were done by 3rd party personnel isn't even against NCAA rules, so technically, no ACTUAL rules were broken
Stallions was on UM's payroll, so the team knew about it and was running it. He was not a 3rd party
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it's all faux outrage. i actually assumed asst coaches did this anyways. (i.e. if there's a noon game in Ann arbor and it ends at 3:30pm, they could drive to columbus/East lansing and purchase tickets (that you and I could) for a night game and scout them at their game, while taking notes/recording some video footage with their phones)
Again, why would they have done it unless it was a massive advantage.
I feel like i'm talking a wall, or in this case, a chair
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:15 am to Buckeye06
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Stallions was on UM's payroll, so the team knew about it and was running it. He was not a 3rd party
If true, what difference does this make when it comes to the rules?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:38 am to Buckeye06
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Stallions was on UM's payroll, so the team knew about it and was running it. He was not a 3rd party
he wasn't the one who actually DID the recording. all the recording was done by 3rd party, to my knowledge. yeah, he was the organizer/leader and bought the tickets under his name, but the actual video footage wasn't done by him
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Again, why would they have done it unless it was a massive advantage.
it wasn't MASSIVE, if you watched the games. this whole thing was announced before UM played MSU last year. so stalions wasn't even on the sidelines for the game against the spartans and onwards, which includes OSU, bama, and washington. UM had a program record 13 NFL draft picks this year, which included arguably the best QB and RB in program history
it's a slight advantage, which is what EVERY team is hoping to get when the games are so cutthroat. the NCAA even admitted it when they considered eliminating it in 2021
LINK
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:42 am to Gen Patton
Wait are y’all really trying to say what was doesn’t wasn’t technically cheating? 
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:45 am to More beer please
quote:I'm 100% certain the michigan fans would be OK with OSU it
Wait are y’all really trying to say what was doesn’t wasn’t technically cheating?
bunch of pretentious morons
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:49 am to More beer please
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Wait are y’all really trying to say what was doesn’t wasn’t technically cheating?
You'd know that if you actually read the rule and the context of its evolution
Moreover, read this, it's only a slight advantage
LINK
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:52 am to Gen Patton
quote:where in the rules does it say you can play dress-up, steal a sideline pass, and join the opposing team's coaching group?
You'd know that if you actually read the rule and the context of its evolution
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:57 am to Gen Patton
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Moreover, read this, it's only a slight advantage
So if it isn’t cheating, which it was and has been proven, and is only a slight advantage, then why…
Disguise yourself on the sideline of a different program
Delete 52 text messages
Have multiple “lone wolves”
Pay an analyst a salary to solely create a program for cheating
Have a random staffer stand next to the head coordinators with his little play sheet
If it’s such a minimal advantage like y’all claim, why go through all the effort?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:59 am to wileyjones
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where in the rules does it say you can play dress-up, steal a sideline pass, and join the opposing team's coaching group?
You referring to the CMU thing? he wasn't there for Michigan, he was there for CMU to scout MSU as a favor to a friend
Posted on 8/6/24 at 12:04 pm to Gen Patton
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You referring to the CMU thing? he wasn't there for Michigan, he was there for CMU to scout MSU as a favor to a friend
Posted on 8/6/24 at 12:04 pm to More beer please
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So if it isn’t cheating, which it was and has been proven
They haven't proven he was actually doing the recording which is the illegal part
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Disguise yourself on the sideline of a different program
He was doing that for CMU as a favor for friend not hired
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Delete 52 text messages
Already debunked
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Have multiple “lone wolves”
Not against the rules he didn't have staff-making or employment authority
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Have a random staffer stand next to the head coordinators with his little play sheet
Not illegal
So basically everything you just alleged was either debunked or not illegal when they allegedly occurred
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If it’s such a minimal advantage like y’all claim, why go through all the effort?
How else do programs prepare for football games? Go in blindfolded? College football is not some rinky-dink, Mickey Mouse operation, it's legit business, organizational structure, resource-based work almost like a full-fledged corporation.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 12:08 pm to wileyjones
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I'm 100% certain the michigan fans would be OK with OSU it
read my post. i've thought for SEVERAL years that asst coaches do this.
what's funny is that you think other teams DON'T do stuff this. Saban had a high school practice field renovated to his liking so that Bama could hold a practice there. that said HS field just so happened to have 2 highly touted recruits that Saban wanted. no one raised an eyebrow
auburn wired $180k to cam newton's dad, but the NCAA couldn't prove that cam knew about it.
you think spending $100 on some tickets and gas money to record a publicly televised game is outrageous?!?!??
to answer your question,yeah, i wouldn't care. hell, i woulda thought OSU did that anyways, considering Urban meyer was on record and said that he had a specially designated staff member whose sole job it was to scout UM all year round. you think that buying a $75 ticket and sending him to a game in which 110k other fans attend and record some plays/signals is that far fetched? hell, I'd do that, or do it via 3rd party
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 8/6/24 at 12:09 pm to Gen Patton
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How else do programs prepare for football games? Go in blindfolded?
You've said this repeatedly.
They watch film, dufus. Film that intentionally doesn't show the sidelines where signals are given.
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