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re: Michigan NOA draft from NCAA cites new coach Moore as violator of rules
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:53 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:53 pm to Buckeye06
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Stallions paid them to be there, and funded their tickets (either directly or indirectly). Stallions was employed by Michigan.
Are you now going to dispute this too?
That's literally allowed by the rules, 3rd party while Stallions (US Marine) is an employee of the university
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:54 pm to Dire Wolf
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what are you trying to get at?
Why'd you post that?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:59 pm to Gen Patton
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That's literally allowed by the rules, 3rd party while Stallions (US Marine) is an employee of the university
even if that aspect of the scandal was legal (it is not), he got caught at the CMU game.
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The NCAA doesn’t outlaw sign-stealing, but it has rules against in-person scouting and using electronic equipment to steal signs, and some of the allegations against Michigan suggest an organized and well-funded approach.
I will be sure to thank Stallions for his service to this country. He masterminded one of the more entertaining scandals in sports
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:00 pm to Gen Patton
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What? Is that what broke the story or?
The UM staffer that was illegally scouting a future opponent on the sideline of another university, which is prohibited by the NCAA. What isnt prohibited is using a Party City looking disguise while being there.
Not cooperating with the NCAA, lying, asking players to deceive the NCAA, bringing play sheets to games for him, removing University issued hard drives, and other dumb shite I cant remember
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:02 pm to Dire Wolf
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he got caught at the CMU game.
According to this guy, Stallions and one of the CMU assistant coaches grandmas are tight so he asked him to do him a solid and give his thoughts on MSU midgame. Totally above board
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:04 pm to Dire Wolf
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even if that aspect of the scandal was legal (it is not)
it literally is if you know the rule and context of the rule
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he got caught at the CMU game
so this is what broke the story or something? I'm confused
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in-person scouting and using electronic equipment to steal signs, and some of the allegations against Michigan suggest an organized and well-funded approach.
IE exploiting loopholes
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:05 pm to More beer please
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The UM staffer that was illegally scouting a future opponent on the sideline of another university, which is prohibited by the NCAA.
Pursuant to what rule?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:10 pm to Gen Patton
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in-person scouting and using electronic equipment to steal signs, and some of the allegations against Michigan suggest an organized and well-funded approach.
IE exploiting loopholes
there is no loophole about Stallions showing up at the CMU game, that was expressively against the NCAA rules.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:10 pm to Gen Patton
16.1.1 that has been referenced many times
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:15 pm to More beer please
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16.1.1
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NCAA bylaw 16.1.1 covers the application of awards legislation for individuals who participate in competition without representing an institution.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:17 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Am I crazy to think if NOTHING comes of this it will kickstart cheating schemes all over the place?
Outsourcing opponent scouting to 3rd parties is totally legal, read a book
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:19 pm to Gen Patton
quote:NCAA bylaw 11.6.1 prohibits teams from in-season, in-person scouting of future opponents. “Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited," the rule reads.
Pursuant to what rule?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:20 pm to Dire Wolf
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NCAA bylaw 11.6.1 prohibits teams from in-season, in-person scouting of future opponents. “Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited," the rule reads.
Doesn't prevent it from 3rd parties though
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:25 pm to Gen Patton
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Doesn't prevent it from 3rd parties though
it doesn't allow for it either.
they were caught doing it in person too so that "loophole" is mute anyway
we know Stallion ponied up $1000 for people's time as well as covering all expenses. The dude was making peanuts so that money came from somewhere.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:27 pm to Dire Wolf
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it doesn't allow for it either.
Not according to what I've read about this rule
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:30 pm to Gen Patton
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Not according to what I've read about this rule
MGOblog?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:32 pm to Dire Wolf
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MGOblog?
I mean are they wrong? As far as we know, Michigan won't suffer big penalties for this down the pike
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:38 pm to Gen Patton
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MGOblog?
I mean are they wrong?
Thats your interpretation of it. They have already come out and said it violated the spirit of the rule aka they have a fricking problem with it. 16.1.1 Clearly shows Stallions was in violation. If he was there in any official capacity that wasnt in violation of the rules both Universities would have came out and said so in October.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:51 pm to More beer please
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16.1.1 Clearly shows Stallions was in violation. If he was there in any official capacity that wasnt in violation of the rules both Universities would have came out and said so in October.
He was doing it for CMU not for Michigan, he did scouting on the side while employed at UM (he only made $55K at UM) and was asked to do it by a friend that particular game. Really a nothing burger and puts CMU in the crosshairs that particular game.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:52 pm to Dire Wolf
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it doesn't allow for it either.
they were caught doing it in person too so that "loophole" is mute anyway
we know Stallion ponied up $1000 for people's time as well as covering all expenses. The dude was making peanuts so that money came from somewhere.
buddy, rules rarely "allow" for something to occur. is Ryan Day allowed to wear a black hat during football games? show me the rule where it allows that
are we allowed to take selfies at a CFB game? is Kirby Smart allowed to wear a visor at every game?
unless there are rules which explicitly and clearly state that employees are prohibited from obtaining and using video footage by 3rd party vendors, the rules don't prohibit anything that UM may have benefited from
BTW, we've discussed Conor Stalions' story before. he's a diehard fan who got accepted to UM, but chose to go to the Naval Academy in an attempt to teach him life lessons which would benefit his aspirations at UM down the road. His family has money. he wrote a freaking 600 page manifesto about becoming the UM coach one day
he's one of those crazy/genius guys who you'd maybe want to work with, but not get too close to. but he did nothing illegal or against the rules, as far as everything that's been reported
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