re: mark schlereth used bounty gate to indict Goodell

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So let me understand this.....Saints fans are pissed off because the NFL didn't investigate one player's personal conduct of the field as diligently as it investigated a franchise's conspiracy to seriously injure other franchise's players on the field and its subsequent efforts to cover the whole thing up? 

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How did you get that from what you quoted? Seriously, that is an impressive reach. Saints fans are pissed because he's telling us bullshite once again. He failed on another investigation.

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What did he find? You say there is no "evidence

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That isn't what he said actually. You quoted it above. The evidence didn't match what we were accused of doing. The 50,000 pages of evidence turned into less than 200. Of those 200, 95% had zero relevance and were about staying hydrated for the game.

The big proof that they had was the ledger and the confession by Hargrove. Both turned out to be questionable. He completely mislead the public about the Hargrove "confession".

The original accusations made by Goodell had to be adjusted overtime as more of their "evidence" got out

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Goodell risked going to trial without evidence as leverage?

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The judge was not kind to Goodell. It got resolved outside of court due to Tags

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 OK pal.

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Is it fun creating arguments for others to prop up what you're arguing, or can you seriously not comprehend what he said?

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What did he find? You say there is no "evidence". Goodell risked going to trial without evidence as leverage? You really believe that there is no evidence? OK pal.

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Do you believe that another high authority figure with absolutely no bias towards either situation in Paul Tagliabue would have motive to lie? He examined the facts and went on record saying there was nothing there even when he would have at worst backed his heir, no?

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Goodell won't lost his job, and he shouldn't IMO. And I hope he doesn't.

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I agree and disagree. He probably won't lose his job but given the harsh punishment he has handed down it would only be fitting that he receives similar discipline.

If anything he needs to be treated the same way as SP and given a year off.

Dan Patrick just brought up the same issue with bounty gate and ray rice.

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I think goodell is lying and anyone who believes otherwise is retarded

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I tend to agree.

BUT, I can also believe that Goodell would suspend him without much evidence at all just because he can.

Either way, Goodell needs to go. He's either a complete liar, or a negligent liar.

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2/10

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I'm not even remotely trolling. He shouldn't lose his job at all. Sure, he fricked up and acted too quickly in giving Rice a suspension (which was arguably too minimal), but that shouldn't mean he should resign. I don't really care about Goodell one way or the other (I know a lot around here completely hate him), but him losing his job over this is laughable IMO.

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So let me understand this.....Saints fans are pissed off because the NFL didn't investigate one player's personal conduct of the field as diligently as it investigated a franchise's conspiracy to seriously injure other franchise's players on the field and its subsequent efforts to cover the whole thing up?

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People are pissed because he didn't investigate EITHER of them in the correct manner, he botched em both.

I will say this..with the way he addressed it last night (I think) on CBS or whatever, where he straight up said the NFL hadn't seen the video, he dug himself a little deeper. But even if it comes out that "the NFL" (which is a VERY loose term) saw the video, what would that change in peoples' minds?

I guess the way I look at it is that everyone knew Rice hit his wife (fiancee at the time). So the NFL gave him the suspension and got blasted for it. So now that the video came out, the NFL sort of has to play the plausible deniability card with "Well, now that we actually see it...we're booting him."

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I can't possibly see how you'd think it's laughable to get rid of him if that's the case.

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This is ALL about PR, and nothing more. People beat their wives all the time, and there's no question this has happened hundreds of times before in major sports. But this one was caught on tape, and that makes it different (unfortunately, since it should be a serious thing with or without video evidence).

But it's his job to "cover these sort of things up." At least in terms of PR/marketing. It's his job to deal with the issue (which he did, albeit not harshly enough by most people's standards) and move on to more positive things.

If anything, the tape being released gave the NFL and Goodell an out since they got so much shite for only giving Rice two games (which, btw, amounts to a lot of money for Rice I'd venture..so it's not like it wasn't an actual punishment). The NFL didn't treat Rice much differently than the DA did at the time. So now the video gets released, Goodell boots Rice, and the NFL season will go on without a hitch.

And as far as his actual job, no way the owners (which is who he works for) would boot him. And people calling for him to resign are just idiots who can't view it from an unbiased viewpoint IMO.

ETA: And seeing the new thread, Goodell is playing it just like he likely should...saying that they made the decision originally based on what they knew at the time, and that this new video gives them a new perspective and allowed them to punish Rice further. Sure, it may come out that he lied about seeing the video, but PR-wise, this is about the only (best) way he could handle it right now. Because there is a difference between assuming he hit his wife and actually seeing him do it.

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He either railroaded someone on he said, she said and is incompetent or he is an outright liar.

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Or a little bit of both. He could play it off as incompetance based on the he said/she said, and that gives him a little leverage on how to maneuver.

Of course, like I said, he could be just digging himself a little deeper into his hole as well.

And when it all comes down to it, he may have to come out and outright say that he personally hadn't seen the video, even if others "in the NFL" had...and since the onus falls upon him to issue out justice, that's why the original suspension was only two games. But he can always end up just "speaking for himself" and denying it.



BTW, personally, I think someone had to have seen the video. Even if not Goodell himself (though I'd bet that he had), someone "in the NFL" likely did.