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re: Mark McGwire: "I could have hit 70 HRs without PEDs!"
Posted on 4/10/18 at 10:28 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/10/18 at 10:28 am to RollTide1987
well why didn't you?
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 10:31 am to WinnPtiger
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Mark McGwire couldn’t have gotten out of AAA without PED’s
What an idiotic take
Like PEDs help you with contact.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 10:33 am to RollTide1987
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Mark McGwire: "I could have hit 70 HRs without PEDs
But you didn't.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:20 am to joechristoppher77
quote:****** Andro was legal in 1998. ******
He was also on Andro, which anyone could get right off the shelf, mostly football guys did, but anyone could. My thought was always he did it for injury recovery and prevention after his injury and divorce
Just thought it needed to be emphasized again
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:25 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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None of them were anywhere close to the inflated bogus numbers they produced while juiced.
agree on everyone but Bonds. Bonds had HOF numbers before he hit the juice.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:32 am to chalmetteowl
It was still on the shelf in the early 2000’s too.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:40 am to GREENHEAD22
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popping speed like skittles before games but that never gets brought up.
Anybody ever gain 20 pounds of muscle taking greenies?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:40 am to RollTide1987
I'm glad that MLB has cleaned up their sport. It's hard to say if McGwire could have hit 70 HRs without PEDs but I do think that he should get more credit for being a really good player that may have been Hall of Fame worthy if he had never taken anything.
McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc. get thrown under the bus for doing things that MLB basically encouraged at the time.
McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc. get thrown under the bus for doing things that MLB basically encouraged at the time.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 11:46 am to RollTide1987
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Mark McGwire: "I could have hit 70 HRs without PEDs!"
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:32 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Anybody ever gain 20 pounds of muscle taking greenies?
Don't be dense. Clearly there are different methods of enhancing performance.
I'd have all of these guys in the HOF. They are all the most memorable players of that era. I don't give a single shite about their PED usage.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:40 pm to theOG
Anybody want this McGuire plastic encased card? My handyman found it in someone's trash and gave it to me. It's a curse on my house.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:50 pm to RollTide1987
Why is Mark running from all this and from his accomplishments? It's not his fault that MLB ignored all the steroid use then and promoted all the HRs that were being achieved, embrace your achievement it's about competition and exceeding your adversary and the dude was one of the best. McGwire was a baseball prodigy, you don't play college baseball at SC, play on the 1984 US Olympic baseball team, and get drafted 10th OVERALL by being a scrub. He did what he did and we should assess and analyze it accordingly, it was one of the most dominant feats of all-time then until Barry with his 73.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 1:03 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Little known fact about McGwire, he was recruited in college as a pitcher and didn't bat his freshman year at all.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 1:28 pm to lsufball19
It's not like the pitchers of that era weren't juicing, also. I would say that the field was pretty level. Mac and Sammy's steroid use doesn't bother me at all.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:02 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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It's not like the pitchers of that era weren't juicing, also. I would say that the field was pretty level. Mac and Sammy's steroid use doesn't bother me at all.
Agreed, I'm of the opinion that if you're weren't striving in that respect then, you weren't trying, and it's not like MLB was doing anything to discourage it so they're culpable in that too. By most accounts, it appears a level playing field existed relative to who was juicing then and therefore I won't minimize what Mark, Sammy, Raphael and Barry did, one of the hardest things to do in sports is hit an MLB pitch and these guys DOMINATED. It was other-worldly those numbers, the production, the walks, the narratives of the Race for 70, it was simply baseball Camelot and the nation and the world loved it. Those numbers will endure FOREVER.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:10 pm to lsufball19
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agree on everyone but Bonds. Bonds had HOF numbers before he hit the juice.
I agree with this......
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:18 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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It's not like the pitchers of that era weren't juicing, also. I would say that the field was pretty level. Mac and Sammy's steroid use doesn't bother me at all.
My post had nothing to do with whether or not he juiced and when he started. Just a fun little factoid that many probably don't know about McGwire. This was more in reference to him being a baseball prodigy all along and to one of the posters who said he never would have made it past AAA without PEDs. But, I personally do not think he started using PEDs until he got around Jose Canseco. McGwire wasn't small but he was fairly lean for his frame until he'd been in the MLB for a few years. I think he went in hardcore with PEDs at the tail end of his time in Oakland.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:24 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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I'm of the opinion that if you're weren't striving in that respect then, you weren't trying, and it's not like MLB was doing anything to discourage it so they're culpable in that too. By most accounts, it appears a level playing field existed relative to who was juicing then and therefore I won't minimize what Mark, Sammy, Raphael and Barry did, one of the hardest things to do in sports is hit an MLB pitch and these guys DOMINATED.
Eh, I can't agree with all of this. Everyone was not juicing and that had nothing to do with whether or not they were trying. Steroids were never legal, they just weren't testing for them like they are now. Griffey was not a user and I don't think anyone would ever say it was for a lack of caring about becoming the best he could be. And there are plenty others just like him.
And yes, one of the hardest things to do in sports is hit a baseball. However, PEDs help increase bat speed which makes hitting a baseball that much easier and turns deep fly outs into homeruns. Sosa is a perfect example of someone whose career took a dramatic spike once he started juicing. Sosa was nothing more than an above average power hitter for the first 7-8 years of his MLB career. Then, he jumps from 36 homeruns in 1997 to 66 in 1998 and 5 straight seasons of 49+. Players don't just find themselves in their 10th year in the majors. That's where the disconnect comes. He was a good player but he was not one of the best in the game until he started cheating. He had made 1 all-star team in 9 MLB seasons before 1998.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:27 pm to theOG
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Don't be dense
I'll stop when you do.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:19 pm to WinnPtiger
Mark McGwire hit 53 HRs in 147 games at USC. The guy was always an immensely gifted power hitter.
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