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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:39 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:39 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Correct. So when you evaluate teams, you place a large emphasis on winning football games.
Yep.
But the #1 most important ingredient for winning football games is the QB. Period.
When you evaluate players, you don't.
Correct?
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:40 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Just cause?
Good defenses or not, Brady is tGOAT. But you already knew that.
Or just cause of the winning?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:41 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:It is important, but the charts prove it isnt the only thing, and not nearly as important as people want to make it.
But the #1 most important ingredient for winning football games is the QB. Period.
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning are all within 2 spots of each other in Scoring offense, yet the disparity in wins is alot more, likely correlating with the large disparity in defensive rankings
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:45 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning are all within 2 spots of each other in Scoring offense, yet the disparity in wins is alot more, likely correlating with the large disparity in defensive rankings
I don't really have a problem with this conclusion at all.
At the same time though, it doesn't change how I view those particular quarterbacks at all. You can't penalize Brees for NOT winning 5 Super Bowls with his defenses, but you definitely can't penalize Brady FOR winning them.
Lastly, with numbers that close, fair or not, the ties do go to the guys with wins.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:48 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:And I dont want people to. I want people to judge them on how they play the position of quarterback, not on a statistic than involves them being on the sideline for 50% of the time.....
but you definitely can't penalize Brady FOR winning them.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:48 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:And not the guy with better passing numbers?
the ties do go to the guys with wins.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:49 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
In theory you can argue the shittier the defense, the more drives the offense can have in a game.
Awesome argument.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:50 pm to shel311
quote:
Can you argue the shittier the defense, the better a great QB's chances are of winning? I think that's the point.
If you want to take the side of a losing argument, yes.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:52 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:Judging a guy by his individual work, not his team's isn't penalizing or rewarding anyone for winning/not winning. It's quite the opposite.
At the same time though, it doesn't change how I view those particular quarterbacks at all. You can't penalize Brees for NOT winning 5 Super Bowls with his defenses, but you definitely can't penalize Brady FOR winning them.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:53 pm to lsupride87
quote:Rodgers = GOAT
I want people to judge them on how they play the position of quarterback
Fight me!!!
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:53 pm to lsupride87
That wouldn't be a tie if one guy had objectively better numbers
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:54 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:Jcorey/Brady and Baloo/Duke basketball are similar. 2 solid posters, but once you get them on those 2 subjects, forget it.
Awesome argument.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
Get a fricking life.
Brady is the GOAT and I hope you are young enough to be reminded of this as the historians confirm it year, after year, after year.
Brady is the GOAT and I hope you are young enough to be reminded of this as the historians confirm it year, after year, after year.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning are all within 2 spots of each other in Scoring offense, yet the disparity in wins is alot more, likely correlating with the large disparity in defensive rankings
Or, a disparity between the QBs' ability to win big games.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:55 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Thread after thread is posted with facts/numbers showing Brees is tGOAT and that Brady is overrated.
Out of the "Big 4"
Drop off in QB production on same team - last place Brady, first place Brees
Worst coach - last place Brady, first place Brees
Least Pro Bowlers in career - last place Brady, first place Brees
Worst defenses - last place Brady, first place Brees
Quickest time of possession - third place Brady, first place Brees
Worst Division - last place Brady, first place Brees
On and on and on it goes. Numbers upon numbers.
But BRADY goes to the SUPERBOWL!!!1!11
Out of the "Big 4"
Drop off in QB production on same team - last place Brady, first place Brees
Worst coach - last place Brady, first place Brees
Least Pro Bowlers in career - last place Brady, first place Brees
Worst defenses - last place Brady, first place Brees
Quickest time of possession - third place Brady, first place Brees
Worst Division - last place Brady, first place Brees
On and on and on it goes. Numbers upon numbers.
But BRADY goes to the SUPERBOWL!!!1!11
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:55 pm to shel311
quote:
Judging a guy by his individual work, not his team's isn't penalizing or rewarding anyone for winning/not winning. It's quite the opposite.
There is no such thing as individual work in football, can we be clear about that? You can always spin these things to fit whatever you want. Difference in weapons, difference in offensive line, defense changing game flows, etc...
There is no such thing as judging a quarterback independently because he doesn't perform independently
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:55 pm to Knight of Old
quote:I set the O/U on this dude's age at 50. What you got?
Get a fricking life.
Brady is the GOAT and I hope you are young enough to be reminded of this as the historians confirm it year, after year, after year.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:55 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Ummm Brees has a much higher QB rating in big games than Brady. Try again
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:56 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Aaron Rodgers playoffs numbers are much better than Brady,, not even a fair comparison.
Or, a disparity between the QBs' ability to win big games.
Aaron Rodgers' defense gives up 35ppg in his playoff losses.
So...
Also Brees's career passer rating in playoff LOSSES would qualify as 12th all time....admittedly i read that on here earlier, didn't fact check it lol.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 1:59 pm
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