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re: Major college football will leave the NCAA by 2030
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:07 am to Thundercles
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:07 am to Thundercles
You’re trying wayyyyt too hard.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:39 am to TackySweater
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You’re trying wayyyyt too hard.
I worry you might not be trying enough
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:44 am to Thundercles
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I think that's true and something that could ultimately tank the sport after a few years. It's honestly already detached enough feeling now since the veil has been lifted on how little the major schools care about academics and how mercenary the players are about NIL.
And that’s 100% the fault of the fans.
1. You pay coaches eight figures (and even some assistant coaches seven figures) and expect them to give a shite if Johnny Heisman turns out to be a scholar?
2. You go across the country and pull a kid out of the ghetto of Los Angeles because he has freak physical ability and expect him to be academically motivated and put Alabama, Georgia, or whoever, ahead of his own self interests?
You could all sign good players and good students from your home states and have competitive teams. But that’s not good enough.
A mercenary is only a mercenary if someone is willing to pay them. You guys pay them and then bitch about them.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:24 am to Thundercles
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None of that’s going to happen lol
You probably also thought:
- There would never be a 12 team playoff
Everyone I know thought there would be this eventually, if for no other reason than the money it would make the NCAA and ESPN.
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- Conferences wouldn't radically realign every three years
Give me an example of a major conference radically realigning every 3 years.
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Players would never be able to sign multi million dollar marketing deals
I never understood how they could legally stop that from happening in a free market system.
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- Colleges would never pay players
They have been from nearly the very beginning. I never expected the employee angle or direct payments to become part of the equation, I can't say it surprises me. I wouldn't have argued it wouldn't happen, only that I am not sure how that will affect things in the long run.
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- Players would have a transfer portal and freely swap schools between seasons without waiting a year
Transfers have been around for a very long time, over a century. The portal is just a clearinghouse of available names. The ability to transfer without sitting out a year was something I always expected for the first transfer. The Wild West we see now was not something I expected but I believe there will eventually be some restrictions on secondary transfers, which may be a stipulation in employee contracts in the future going with a portion of the fallout of the previous statement.
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If you really don't see the sport wildly evolving every single year then I feel sorry for your brain power
If you don't see the hyperbole in your statements, you need to take a few days to calm yourself down.
And Happy Father'sDday, Baw!
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:25 am to Thundercles
I think we'll see a major change before 2026. Here are the proposals I anticipate.
1. NCAA stays around for FCS and lower and no real changes for those schools. Some schools will elect to leave FBS and go back to FCS and we'll again see terminology like Div I-A, I-AA etc. March Madness basically becomes the NIT at this level.
2. SEC and Big10 will lead the way to leave the NCAA. Football will rule but basketball will be in the mix and a big consideration for many schools, and just for basketball, they may create a really large top division and that will be the new destination for what we think of as March Madness. The carve out will be basketball, not football, because there are so many oddball schools like Butler, that have good programs, but I can't even name where Butler is, or if they field another sport.
Centered on football though: They will try to create two divisions, each with four conferences, each conference with 8 teams, so 64 teams in total. The conferences will essentially be the old Pac, B10, Big8, SEC, with some minor changes. So you get SEC Upper Division and SEC Lower Division for example. I think this mega conference stuff has been bad and when we see pictures of the Oregon and Oregon St mascots together with a caption reading 'till we meet again' not knowing when they'll again be rivals, in conference...that doesn't sit well with fans. So regional conferences are coming back.
Upper division will be 'unrestricted' and centered on football, but this will create concerns on the ability to properly fund a full athletic department since schools must devote so much to football in order to be competitive.
This will lead to a lower division and this lower division will become the most popular, IMO. Here we will see full athletic departments, every athlete on a full scholarship, football will get much less money but other sports will get more, you'll see more sports, more athletes, lot more local TV coverage (if anyone remembers some of those days prior to ESPN getting huge and broadcasting so many games each Saturday, your local stations often had games with local crews etc but we may see conference networks and this could be a major threat to ESPN), and there will be restrictions such as no NIL collectives, athletes can make money but they have to go out on their own and make money - old school booster restrictions put in place but no prohibition on getting a job, monetizing youtube etc. The portal will be limited, coaching salaries and buyouts will be severely limited. This lower division is where fan connection to the school will remain, rivalries will be supported etc. Member schools will pool faculty members and others with specialized skills to serve as a collective Inspector General function for oversight, rules enforcement etc.
Lower division will still swim in money like old school days, but the upper division will rake it in primarily in the post season. They probably go to an 8 team playoff, first round hosting, and concentrating the best talent into those schools due to money will probably lead to high TV revenue. But the lower division will be excellent football and rake in plenty in the regular season, lot of TV money, then probably have a bowl system and a 4 team playoff. Lower division may get so popular that it swells to 10 teams in each conference, or more. I think that division is 'football as we remember it' waiting to happen. I also think this lower division will be the premier destination for many women's sports, so there will be massive fan support and TV coverage on that side.
I think schools like Bama try to go upper division and we see their athletic department fall apart as a result with many sports going away. They'll keep some, but the number will trickle down quite a bit. Schools like UF go to the lower division, same for Miami and others.
New proposals for paying players are just too much for schools to handle and still fund a full athletic department so I see these changes coming very soon.
1. NCAA stays around for FCS and lower and no real changes for those schools. Some schools will elect to leave FBS and go back to FCS and we'll again see terminology like Div I-A, I-AA etc. March Madness basically becomes the NIT at this level.
2. SEC and Big10 will lead the way to leave the NCAA. Football will rule but basketball will be in the mix and a big consideration for many schools, and just for basketball, they may create a really large top division and that will be the new destination for what we think of as March Madness. The carve out will be basketball, not football, because there are so many oddball schools like Butler, that have good programs, but I can't even name where Butler is, or if they field another sport.
Centered on football though: They will try to create two divisions, each with four conferences, each conference with 8 teams, so 64 teams in total. The conferences will essentially be the old Pac, B10, Big8, SEC, with some minor changes. So you get SEC Upper Division and SEC Lower Division for example. I think this mega conference stuff has been bad and when we see pictures of the Oregon and Oregon St mascots together with a caption reading 'till we meet again' not knowing when they'll again be rivals, in conference...that doesn't sit well with fans. So regional conferences are coming back.
Upper division will be 'unrestricted' and centered on football, but this will create concerns on the ability to properly fund a full athletic department since schools must devote so much to football in order to be competitive.
This will lead to a lower division and this lower division will become the most popular, IMO. Here we will see full athletic departments, every athlete on a full scholarship, football will get much less money but other sports will get more, you'll see more sports, more athletes, lot more local TV coverage (if anyone remembers some of those days prior to ESPN getting huge and broadcasting so many games each Saturday, your local stations often had games with local crews etc but we may see conference networks and this could be a major threat to ESPN), and there will be restrictions such as no NIL collectives, athletes can make money but they have to go out on their own and make money - old school booster restrictions put in place but no prohibition on getting a job, monetizing youtube etc. The portal will be limited, coaching salaries and buyouts will be severely limited. This lower division is where fan connection to the school will remain, rivalries will be supported etc. Member schools will pool faculty members and others with specialized skills to serve as a collective Inspector General function for oversight, rules enforcement etc.
Lower division will still swim in money like old school days, but the upper division will rake it in primarily in the post season. They probably go to an 8 team playoff, first round hosting, and concentrating the best talent into those schools due to money will probably lead to high TV revenue. But the lower division will be excellent football and rake in plenty in the regular season, lot of TV money, then probably have a bowl system and a 4 team playoff. Lower division may get so popular that it swells to 10 teams in each conference, or more. I think that division is 'football as we remember it' waiting to happen. I also think this lower division will be the premier destination for many women's sports, so there will be massive fan support and TV coverage on that side.
I think schools like Bama try to go upper division and we see their athletic department fall apart as a result with many sports going away. They'll keep some, but the number will trickle down quite a bit. Schools like UF go to the lower division, same for Miami and others.
New proposals for paying players are just too much for schools to handle and still fund a full athletic department so I see these changes coming very soon.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:30 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Not really. Regular season college hoops TV ratings ain’t exactly great. If you break away from the NCAA, goodbye use of the tournament. Sure you can start another tourney, but without the branding of “March Madness”, you’ll lose a significant amount of casual viewers.
If the schools break away, there is no March Madness that the NCAA can market. My hunch is that if this happens, the NCAA will probably just sell the rights to March Madness and wipe their hands of that headache. With it will go the complaints about video game royalties etc. So, I don't think the NCAA will be too worried about giving up March Madness.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:32 am to JustSmokin
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Who do you think runs the NCAA?
Idiots
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:11 am to Thundercles
I think it will happen by then, but folks have been saying that since the 80s. The SEC/Big 10 really do want they want football wish, so I don't know how much encumbrance the NCAA brings (and it likely offers a layer of protection).
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:19 am to TejasHorn
I would prefer LSU to drop these sports if they are going to just be a minor league.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:30 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Sure you can start another tourney, but without the branding of “March Madness”, you’ll lose a significant amount of casual viewers.
You think people won’t watch the same exact product just because it’s not called “March madness” ? lol
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:51 pm to Thundercles
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- A college football players' union will crop up shortly after, and they'll start getting paid a lot for their playing time.
Honestly the NCAA should have set this up way before now and gotten ahead of it.
Give the students a seat at the table and let the changes bleed into the system in a controlled and negotiated manner. In this setup they’d be more motivated to protect the bottom of the roster as well which could limit some of the top-end craziness.
Instead the NCAA is relying on a court system to bail them out, when their side is far shakier from a constitutional POV.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:53 pm to BRIllini07
If it isn’t going to be about school then it seems these players should be able to play forever for these minor league teams.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:03 pm to Thundercles
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- They will eventually drop the eligibility limit, people can play for as long as they want
- Will allow players to come back after a few years in the NFL.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 3:33 pm to Thundercles
It is going to be before 2030
Posted on 6/16/24 at 4:27 pm to Thundercles
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What will happen in rough chronological order:
- The major conferences will form their own league and playoff structure comprised of maybe 60 teams.
- The smaller conferences will continue to be associated with the NCAA and that will be true college football going forward.
- A college football players' union will crop up shortly after, and they'll start getting paid a lot for their playing time.
- The academics requirement will be dropped in the ensuing years-- will no longer have to be in good standing or even a student to play for a school
- They'll actually create a salary cap and create rules around transfers/trades.
- They will eventually drop the eligibility limit, people can play for as long as they want
- Will allow players to come back after a few years in the NFL.
- Basketball might follow suit.
- Full on football minor league.
Continuing on:
-Human brains will be married into AI with chips inserted in them.
-all football will become virtual and we will stop leaving our houses
-Money will become completely electronic and there will be no physical currency
-humans will become transformers where we can turn into cool trucks and shite
-we will all be equipped with robotic wings where we can fly overhead and shite on people we don't like
-humans wlll invent time travel and go into the future to get advance copies of sports almanacs.
BTW. My future predictions are just as likely to come true as yours are.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:58 pm to Thundercles
There is a way around this, State Universities are going to have to enforce the rules through state legislatures. Nothing would stop the states from saying that if you are not enrolled and in good standing with the university you cannot play for said universities. Furthermore, athletic departments which have been " privatized" will either become a full part of the school or they will not be able to lease the stadiums on university property. If you want to represent the University and use it's facilities you will be a student. If you are a student you will be subject to the same academic requirements as any other non athlete student. You must be full time and you must make a minimum threshold grade point wise.
If the athletes want the money, the coaches want to coach and they want all that juicy TV and apparel money, then they get at least some semblance of an education. If they don't like it, they are welcome to set up their own organization but they cannot use the university name.....if they want it they can pay the University a hefty fee....and they cannot use the stadiums period
If the athletes want the money, the coaches want to coach and they want all that juicy TV and apparel money, then they get at least some semblance of an education. If they don't like it, they are welcome to set up their own organization but they cannot use the university name.....if they want it they can pay the University a hefty fee....and they cannot use the stadiums period
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:07 pm to TackySweater
Get the state legislatures involved. Want to represent LSU, you will be subject to the academic rules of the university or... you will be prohibited from using the facilities.
The TV money has made the conferences into whores of the highest level.....and the athletic departments at the universities as well. These fuqs want the money , they want to play, then strings are attached
The TV money has made the conferences into whores of the highest level.....and the athletic departments at the universities as well. These fuqs want the money , they want to play, then strings are attached
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:10 pm to KiwiHead
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Get the state legislatures involved.
I've wondered about this and how it will affect private schools.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:19 pm to Thundercles
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- The academics requirement will be dropped in the ensuing years-- will no longer have to be in good standing or even a student to play for a school
That's preposterous.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:22 pm to POTUS2024
Let the private universities knock their fukkin lights out.
So far the only ones that has a real national brand is USC and maybe Miami
Maybe to a lesser extent The Baylors, TCUs, Dukes and Northwesterns
So far the only ones that has a real national brand is USC and maybe Miami
Maybe to a lesser extent The Baylors, TCUs, Dukes and Northwesterns
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