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re: Mahomes is the GOAT
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:41 pm to supatigah
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:41 pm to supatigah
quote:Not sure where you stand on the overall discussion, but this is exactly why counting rings is less important than a whole bunch of other shite and honestly, not terribly relevant in this discussion.
and yet somehow he won 5 SB MVPs and had his best statistical performance in a SB loss where the NE Defense shite the bed
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:42 pm to dchog
What’s funny is these lemmings will use Super Bowls to declare Brady the GOAT when by their own standards, Otto Graham wipes the floor with them:
In 10 career seasons he won 7 League titles, 7 first team all-pros, and 5 MVPs.
So either you can either stand by your Championship argument and admit Graham is the vastly superior QB or you can drop that nonsense and recognize the truth.
In 10 career seasons he won 7 League titles, 7 first team all-pros, and 5 MVPs.
So either you can either stand by your Championship argument and admit Graham is the vastly superior QB or you can drop that nonsense and recognize the truth.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:45 pm to Dairy Sanders
Otto Graham and Bill Russell...name a more iconic duo!!
Just a couple of disrespected GOATs.
Just a couple of disrespected GOATs.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:49 pm to theunknownknight
you said brady played worse in the playoffs
I said and yet he won five SB MVPs and had his best statistical performance in a SB in a loss
so five times on the biggest stage he was voted the best player in the game
he couid have easily been the MVP against the Eagles in a loss, that has happened before (Howley, SB V MVP)
I said and yet he won five SB MVPs and had his best statistical performance in a SB in a loss
so five times on the biggest stage he was voted the best player in the game
he couid have easily been the MVP against the Eagles in a loss, that has happened before (Howley, SB V MVP)
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:53 pm to supatigah
quote:Drew Brees playoff offenses score more points and turn the ball over less than Tom Brady playoff offenses. Drew Brees also has better production and efficiency numbers than Brady in the playoffs.
you said brady played worse in the playoffs
I said and yet he won five SB MVPs and had his best statistical performance in a SB in a loss
so five times on the biggest stage he was voted the best player in the game
he couid have easily been the MVP against the Eagles in a loss, that has happened before (Howley, SB V MVP)
Brady has 7 Super Bowl wins
Brees has 1 Super Bowl win
Why do you think that is?
Something to ponder in addition to the above offensive numbers...
Brady has played with I believe it's 17 top 10 defenses
Brees has played with 2 top 10 defenses
So is the difference Brady or defenses?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:55 pm to supatigah
Bruh he won one of those with less than a 150 passing yards, gtfo out of here.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:55 pm to supatigah
quote:
you said brady played worse in the playoffs
He did. That's undisputed,
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:56 pm to shel311
quote:
So is the difference Brady or defenses?
That doesn’t even factor in SpyGate and DeflateGate either.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:01 pm to shel311
Just more playoff numbers:
TD%
Brees 5.1
Brady 4.6
INT%
Brees 2.1
Brady 2.1
YPA
Brees 7.4
Brady 7
Rating
Brees 97.1
Brady 89.8
Someone explain how that's the difference between 7 and 1 Super Bowls.
Someone explain how pretty clearly worse play allowed Brady to go 35-13 in the SB and Brees 9-9...
And again, please do so while also adding the context that Brady played with 17 top 10 defenses and Brees 2...
TD%
Brees 5.1
Brady 4.6
INT%
Brees 2.1
Brady 2.1
YPA
Brees 7.4
Brady 7
Rating
Brees 97.1
Brady 89.8
Someone explain how that's the difference between 7 and 1 Super Bowls.
Someone explain how pretty clearly worse play allowed Brady to go 35-13 in the SB and Brees 9-9...
And again, please do so while also adding the context that Brady played with 17 top 10 defenses and Brees 2...
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:08 pm to shel311
quote:
if I told you can get the best sustained 6 year period of QB play, you take Mahomes over Brady, and there's really no logical argument otherwise.
quote:
This isn't hard.
Mahomes has played the position of QB higher than Brady or any other QB ever for a sustained period of time.
Brady played it at a high level for longer than any QB ever
sure
that isnt remotely what this thread was about
GOAT is sum total, everyone stacked up, who is #1
OP starts a troll thread and says Mahomes is the GOAT
turns into an interesting discussion, its not peak performance over a time frame to me
you are right though and ignoring the stats compilation over 21 years alone, how can anyone outweigh Mahomes 3/4 in six years over Brady in 7/10 in 21 years by itself in a QB GOAT argument is beyond me
for the 6 years stretch do I get Andy Reid as HC too? I feel like that would be pretty important too
brady and reid might be even better than mahomes and reid
mahomes looked like absolute shite half the game last night.
throwing behind people, overthrowing, underthrowing, missing guys, very unlike him to be honest
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:08 pm to shel311
Yeesh. Don't even compare Brady to Mahomes. It's an even bigger gap across the board
Mahomes has the stats of Aaron Rodgers and the "winning" of Brady
Mahomes has the stats of Aaron Rodgers and the "winning" of Brady
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:11 pm to supatigah
quote:No, you know nothing else, you get a 6 year stretch. You take Mahomes 100 out of 100 times.
for the 6 years stretch do I get Andy Reid as HC too? I feel like that would be pretty important too
quote:Brady isn't as good as Mahomes, so I don't see how this would occur?
brady and reid might be even better than mahomes and reid
quote:Ok, how'd Brady look at 28-3?
mahomes looked like absolute shite half the game last night.
throwing behind people, overthrowing, underthrowing, missing guys, very unlike him to be honest
Hell, Brady threw 2 balls in the 4th quarter of that comeback that legit went right into the hands of Falcons defender. He blew that game twice and got 2 additional chances. That's in addition to his play to get to 28-3.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:17 pm to shel311
you are right Shel,
drew brees is the greatest quarterback of all time
you have proven it here, thank you
for the record I repeatedly made the winning, leadership, longevity, stats arguments for brady
not just 7/10
you guys can zero in on specifics of anyone’s resume and pick it apart, but who is the GOAT QB is based on total resume. Everything.
maybe it will be Mahomes one day, who knows. he is definitely on the right track, but he isnt even close to the GOAT QB status yet.
also, the OP is a troll
drew brees is the greatest quarterback of all time
you have proven it here, thank you
for the record I repeatedly made the winning, leadership, longevity, stats arguments for brady
not just 7/10
you guys can zero in on specifics of anyone’s resume and pick it apart, but who is the GOAT QB is based on total resume. Everything.
maybe it will be Mahomes one day, who knows. he is definitely on the right track, but he isnt even close to the GOAT QB status yet.
also, the OP is a troll
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:17 pm to WestCoastAg
I can tell you why Jerry Rice is the greatest WR of all time without even mentioning the playoffs.
Can you give any reason why you believe Brady is the goat behind SB titles?
What’s funny is Barry Sanders is nearly universally considered to be the superior RB to Emmitt Smith despite winning like 2 playoff games his entire career. No one has a problem with saying Fitzgerald is a better WR than Edelman either. But don’t you dare say clearly superior QBs are better than Brady because muh team accomplishments
Can you give any reason why you believe Brady is the goat behind SB titles?
What’s funny is Barry Sanders is nearly universally considered to be the superior RB to Emmitt Smith despite winning like 2 playoff games his entire career. No one has a problem with saying Fitzgerald is a better WR than Edelman either. But don’t you dare say clearly superior QBs are better than Brady because muh team accomplishments
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:19 pm to supatigah
He had no business being the MVP against KC and Ty Law should have been MVP in TB’s first SB.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:27 pm to supatigah
quote:You can't deny that every data point and subsequent question I asked are valid. You didn't attempt to answer, just getting snarky
you are right Shel,
drew brees is the greatest quarterback of all time
you have proven it here, thank you
It is what it is.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:30 pm to shel311
Brady is tGOAT, but Mahomes is coming hard and fast in his rearview mirror. Another 5-6 years like his first and he’s going to be even with Brady, at worst.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:41 pm to shel311
Once again
I have made the different resume components arguments numerous times in this thread
I am tired of drive byes like this dairy idiot coming in and arguing against themselves or cherry picking things in this thread
Read the thread and see the totality of what I and others have said or don’t
IDGAF
Brady has the best, deepest and most comprehensive resume for GOAT QB
He has the stats, he has the wins, he has the leadership, he has the longevity.
No one else has the comprehensive resume in all four aspects that Brady has. Nobody
Maybe Mahomes surpasses him, maybe he doesn’t, but he is not there yet and has a very long way to go
OP said Mahomes is the GOAT now and that is a joke
I have made the different resume components arguments numerous times in this thread
I am tired of drive byes like this dairy idiot coming in and arguing against themselves or cherry picking things in this thread
Read the thread and see the totality of what I and others have said or don’t
IDGAF
Brady has the best, deepest and most comprehensive resume for GOAT QB
He has the stats, he has the wins, he has the leadership, he has the longevity.
No one else has the comprehensive resume in all four aspects that Brady has. Nobody
Maybe Mahomes surpasses him, maybe he doesn’t, but he is not there yet and has a very long way to go
OP said Mahomes is the GOAT now and that is a joke
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:42 pm to RB10
quote:
Brady is tGOAT, but Mahomes is coming hard and fast in his rearview mirror. Another 5-6 years like his first and he’s going to be even with Brady, at worst.
Exactly
But man shite changes quickly, that is another thing about Brady. Staying elite for so long with so many changes.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 5:21 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Mahomes is the kid.
Brady is the goat.
But kids grow up to become goats.
Brady is the goat.
But kids grow up to become goats.
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