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re: Luck vs RGIII
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:21 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:21 pm to Lester Earl
steve young was a running qb who morphed into a pocket passer who could scramble
Its only RGIII's rookie year and he has had success in both the passing and running game. Thats all you can judge. So far the results are very good.
I've only watched the redskins 4 or 5 times and each time save for the falcons game he has made plays from the pocket. It's not like every play he is outside the pocket and the defender has to make the decision to stop him from running it or covering the receiver who will be open if he goes for the qb. cough kaepernick cough
Its only RGIII's rookie year and he has had success in both the passing and running game. Thats all you can judge. So far the results are very good.
I've only watched the redskins 4 or 5 times and each time save for the falcons game he has made plays from the pocket. It's not like every play he is outside the pocket and the defender has to make the decision to stop him from running it or covering the receiver who will be open if he goes for the qb. cough kaepernick cough
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:22 pm to Lester Earl
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they are all scramblers.
not runners
RGIII has had a really nice passing season, but I think a lot of it is opened up because of his running abilities. Like someone said, will he be able to stay healthy running the way he does? And if he has to cut down on the running, will he be as effcient through the air?
RG3 is a scrambler as well.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:24 pm to Lester Earl
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but I think a lot of it is opened up because of his running abilities. Like someone said, will he be able to stay healthy running the way he does? And if he has to cut down on the running, will he be as effcient through the air?
you can use that argument for any fast qb. the difference is RGIII is more than good enough to be successful from the pocket.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:28 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Robert Griffin has 99 rushes through 11 games.
None of those guys have ever had that many rushes in a full season, much less 11 games.
Elway never ran more than 66x in a season
Steve Young never ran more than 74x in a season
Rodgers never ran more than 64x in a season
These are guys who were scramblers; NOT designed runners.
Im not even sure why Big Ben is on the list.
Now, Michael Vick, on the other hand.....Cam Newton, on the other hand....Randall Cunningham....
None of those guys have ever had that many rushes in a full season, much less 11 games.
Elway never ran more than 66x in a season
Steve Young never ran more than 74x in a season
Rodgers never ran more than 64x in a season
These are guys who were scramblers; NOT designed runners.
Im not even sure why Big Ben is on the list.
Now, Michael Vick, on the other hand.....Cam Newton, on the other hand....Randall Cunningham....
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
quote:They all do their best work outside the pocket thats what the list was.
Robert Griffin has 99 rushes through 11 games.
None of those guys have ever had that many rushes in a full season, much less 11 games.
Elway never ran more than 66x in a season
Steve Young never ran more than 74x in a season
Rodgers never ran more than 64x in a season
These are guys who were scramblers; NOT designed runners.
Im not even sure why Big Ben is on the list.
Rushing attempts have no significance because when Redskins are good he won't be running the ball as frequently.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:35 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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They all do their best work outside the pocket thats what the list was.
right, but that doesn't make them runners. They are scramblers.
a runner is someone you design running plays for.
RG runs 9 times a game. I know they all aren't designed, but that alone makes him a runner.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:36 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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you can use that argument for any fast qb. the difference is RGIII is more than good enough to be successful from the pocket.
no fast QB has ever really ran the type of offense they are running. Cam Newton would be the closest.
Its going to be curious to see how the NFL adjusts in year 2. He's had a great year, but Im just cautious
I think Luck is fool proof. Im not sure RG3 is
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
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I think Luck is fool proof. Im not sure RG3 is
I get that, but I'm saying you could put him in any offense and he will be successful.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:38 pm to Lester Earl
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Now, Michael Vick, on the other hand.....Cam Newton, on the other hand....Randall Cunningham...
have never had a season like rgIII
vicks career highs in cmp% and rating...62% and 100
newton's first year he completed 60% and had an 85 rating
cunningham's best is pretty good...69% in his 8th year in the league and a 106 qb rating in 98 with randy moss and he wasn't the running threat he used to be. Not to knock him, i think he was an awesome qb who if not for a missed fg, wins a super bowl. And those are the only times he had one higher than rgIII's rookie season
but basically, you can't just write off 67% completion percentage and a 104 rating for a rookie who is also killing it on the ground as well
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:39 pm to DelU249
I was comparing them as runners.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:40 pm to Lester Earl
yeah, but i don't think you can just say he is a runner. He is performing incredibly well from the pocket too, and he's a rookie. It's unfair to group him with those guys like he's the same as them because aside from the running aspect, he is a completely different player
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:42 pm to Lester Earl
quote:No that makes him a player who is doing what it takes to carry an otherwise crappy offense.
RG runs 9 times a game. I know they all aren't designed, but that alone makes him a runner.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:45 pm to DelU249
we were talking strictly about running ability. he is in that group with those guys. its not an insult, all were great runners
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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No that makes him a player who is doing what it takes to carry an otherwise crappy offense.
ok
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:49 pm to Lester Earl
cool, just that most apply that label in terms of being good at running and not being able to throw
Posted on 11/26/12 at 6:07 pm to GynoSandberg
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Dude, he has 305 attempts. 24th in the Nfl. Of course it's easy to be efficient.
Exactly. It is why I was "raving" about Alex Smith the other day. He is doing a terrific job at what he is supposed to be doing. Throw the ball 20-24 times. RG3 is Smith with wheels, which is not a bad thing, but you need to be able to air it out 35 times and still be efficient to be a Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.
Luck is making a shite ton of attempts and he will get there. RG3 has a great start, but let's slow the roll until he can average nearly 300 yards a game with maddening efficiency.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 6:25 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
The bottom line is rgIII is better than luck. That could change in a year, two...who knows. Luck could be a bust and rgIII could be Dan the man with wheels. All we have to go on is 11 games, and in 11 games RGIII is significantly better than luck.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 6:34 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Ben Rothlisberger, John Elway none of them are pocket passers dummy.
Pocket passers with the ability to scramble? Hell, Andrew Luck is one of them. They all threw for significant yardage and TDs.
They don't run 9 times a game. They don't rely on the threat of them running to set up their passing. They were never 24th in the nfl is pass attempts
You were slurping Cam last year. Dummy.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 6:54 pm to GynoSandberg
Completion percentage is completion percentage. If you're throwing it 28 times a game it really doesn't make a difference if you're making 40. Luck has over 140 more attempts but less than 50 more completions. His YPA is higher and he has more TDs despite being 24th in attempts. and even if rgIIIs running threat is making it easier, so what. That is what makes him so special.
You know what doesn't win Super Bowls? 56% completion percentage throwing the same number of TDs as interceptions, and having a sub 80 QB rating. That's a preposterous thing for me to say because he's only a rookie and he will get better right? Well so will RGIII
You know what doesn't win Super Bowls? 56% completion percentage throwing the same number of TDs as interceptions, and having a sub 80 QB rating. That's a preposterous thing for me to say because he's only a rookie and he will get better right? Well so will RGIII
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:02 pm to DelU249
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Completion percentage is completion percentage. If you're throwing it 28 times a game it really doesn't make a difference if you're making 40. Luck has over 140 more attempts but less than 50 more completions. His YPA is higher and he has more TDs despite being 24th in attempts. and even if rgIIIs running threat is making it easier, so what. That is what makes him so special.
Colts 7-4
Skins 5-6
just saying.
Luck has been much better than his numbers.
he also has 5 rushing TDs btw.
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