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re: Luck vs RGIII
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:05 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:05 pm to Lester Earl
And RGIII has 6. I'm not knocking luck. I think they'll both be really good or great, neither busts. But saying "luck is the type of QB to win SBs and RGIII is not" is fricking dumb especially when so far RGIII is the better player and significantly so.
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:07 pm to Lester Earl
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Luck has been much better than his numbers.
he also has 5 rushing TDs btw.
I am pretty sure this is outdated, but after Luck's 400+ yard game some stats came out comparing the two.
Redskins WR's had the most yards after the catch.
Andrew Luck threw the ball the furthest in the air on an average attempt in the league.
Also, Luck has a farther yards per completion right now.
For me, the biggest thing is just watching the two players. Luck is mind-blowingly good. His control of the offense, the decisions he makes, and the throws and risks he takes are just awesome to watch from a rookie. You can just see he is going to be great.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:18 pm to DelU249
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Completion percentage is completion percentage. If you're throwing it 28 times a game it really doesn't make a difference if you're making 40.
Sure.
It's like Tyson Chandler leading the NBA in FG% right now (.662%). The dude shoots 6 times a game and he averages 10 points.
Chris Bosh shoots 56%, shooting 13 times a game and scores 20ppg.
I mean, Chandler is better, right?
Im not even saying RG3 isn't good. He is very talented. All I am saying is, going forward, he is going to have to adapt and change his game later down the line (as soon as this year). Cam Newton has a similar style and hasn't adapted. But but but RG3 is so smart he's nothing like Cam etc etc. Well, let's see.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I'm with you. Rg3 just hasn't impressed me as much as Luck has despite the numbers.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:29 pm to GynoSandberg
So the nba is the same as the NFL, lol.
And it's not only percentage. RGIII has more TDs, higher YPA, better everything.
What about Tyson chandler shoots six times a game and scores more points than Chris bosh shooting 13 times a game? What about Chris Bosh playing with better players than Tyson chandler, but Tyson chandler has better stats despite fewer attempts and playing on a less talented team. I can play this game too. Would chandler be the better player in this scenario?
Any way you dice the stats, RGIII comes out ahead of luck right now.
And it's not only percentage. RGIII has more TDs, higher YPA, better everything.
What about Tyson chandler shoots six times a game and scores more points than Chris bosh shooting 13 times a game? What about Chris Bosh playing with better players than Tyson chandler, but Tyson chandler has better stats despite fewer attempts and playing on a less talented team. I can play this game too. Would chandler be the better player in this scenario?
Any way you dice the stats, RGIII comes out ahead of luck right now.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:32 pm to DelU249
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:34 pm to UnluckyTiger
The only thing they're evenly matched in right now is how fugly they are.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:35 pm to DelU249
These guys just have the hater shades on. Look at that passer rating for all world Luck.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:38 pm to DelU249
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So the nba is the same as the NFL, lol.
It's a percentage which shows the success rate compared to attempts.
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Any way you dice the stats, RGIII comes out ahead of luck right now.
Skins- 5-11 last season, 5-6 this season
Colts- 2-14 last season, 7-4 this season
People act like Robert Griffin is on some shite team and Luck is on some great team
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:41 pm to GynoSandberg
Griffin is on a shite team. Are you kidding me? If the Skins had a secondary and a pass rush they might be 7-4 with a much tougher schedule than the ColTs. Who have the Colts beaten? Go look at who the Skins have beat. They've been without Garcon almost half the season and are missing their best player on defense and another integral part on the dline. RG3 doesn't have a Wayne to throw to.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:43 pm to GynoSandberg
Really bringing the stats.
You've stretched to the nba and now last seasons results. Redskins had seasoned veterans at QB and the colts had Curtis painter. Plus I'm pretty sure losing manning for the year is pretty demoralizing.
Show me a stat that where luck is better than griffin. Just one standard FOOTBALL statistic.
You've stretched to the nba and now last seasons results. Redskins had seasoned veterans at QB and the colts had Curtis painter. Plus I'm pretty sure losing manning for the year is pretty demoralizing.
Show me a stat that where luck is better than griffin. Just one standard FOOTBALL statistic.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:45 pm to UnluckyTiger
Alex Smith is 5th in passer rating 
I guess you guys dont realize passer rating is calculated using com %, yards, TDs, INTs. Of course the comp% and INTs are nice when you attempt the 24th most passes in the NFL. The TDs are nice, yes.
16th in yards
14th in TDs
4th in comp %
2nd in INTs
I guess attempting 305 passes pays off in the all mighty passer rating.
ETA- I've never said Luck had better stats than Griffin
I guess you guys dont realize passer rating is calculated using com %, yards, TDs, INTs. Of course the comp% and INTs are nice when you attempt the 24th most passes in the NFL. The TDs are nice, yes.
16th in yards
14th in TDs
4th in comp %
2nd in INTs
I guess attempting 305 passes pays off in the all mighty passer rating.
ETA- I've never said Luck had better stats than Griffin
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:49 pm to GynoSandberg
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ETA- I've never said Luck had better stats than Griffin
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Andrew Luck type QBs win Super Bowls. RG3s are fun to watch play
Not exactly flattery. I guess Andrew luck type players are better than RGIII just not Andrew luck
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:50 pm to GynoSandberg
Since you asked, though, Luck has the 4th best QBR in the NFL, behind Brady, Manning, and Ryan. RG3 is 5th.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:50 pm to GynoSandberg
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Alex Smith is 5th in passer rating
He's also a seasoned vet who plays on the team with the best defense and a top rushing attack. Alex smith doesn't win games. RGIII, a rookie, does
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:52 pm to GynoSandberg
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QBR
Not exactly standard. It's like 3 years old and ESPN, a joke, is the only entity that uses it.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:54 pm to DelU249
Alex Smith is a game manager. RG3 is a game breaker. Alex Smith also has 100 less attempts than almost every QB. You're really stretching here.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:54 pm to DelU249
Ok
You're right
You're right
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:55 pm to LSUAce007
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I personally don't think that either of them is even in the Top 10 in MVP consideration
RGIII should only be talked about when it comes to ROY.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:58 pm to DelU249
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Show me a stat that where luck is better than griffin. Just one standard FOOTBALL statistic.
Just using the "Passing" category on pro-football-reference.com. I am not determining the worth of the stats; I am just listing the standard ones, according to an unbiased source.
Luck is greater than RG3 in:
QB Record
Completions
Attempts
Yards
Yards per Completion
Yards per Game
QBR (which I think is dumb because it includes clutch)
Yards lost due to sacks
Sack percentage
Fourth quarter comebacks
Game winning drives
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