re: Luck vs RGIII

Ill get back to you when boardwalk is over

Catching up on Boardwalk too three more eps to go

QB Record

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Completions

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Yards

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Yards Per Game

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Are all byproducts of

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Attempts

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Yards per Completion

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I remember in 2009 falcon fans used to champion matt Ryan with this statistic. C'mon.

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QBR (which I think is dumb because it includes clutch)
Yards lost due to sacks

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Not only is it dumb for that reason but ESPN obviously can't wrap it's collective brain around a metric that doesn't cap at 100. Why don't they come up with a new way to measure temperature while they're at it

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Sack percentage

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That is reflective of the offensive team as a whole. Could be the QB, could also be the line and/or the WRs

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Fourth quarter comebacks
Game winning drives

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Really? This is how we measure a QB?

Do you know who else was tops in this statistic when he played? Aaron Brooks. This shite is trotted out there so QBs like Big Ben and the like can be compared to the real greats. If these statistics are worth a damn then I hope you were team tebow in all of the tebow threads last year. Also, I would rightfully argue that this is not reflective of just the QB position but the entire offensive unit.


Last post on this. I don't know who is going to be better. That is a frivolous argument, but right now RGIII is better plain and simple and there is nothing, nothing to support that Luck > RGIII. I am curious to know since I do not watch ESPN which dick they are sucking more.

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Not only is it dumb for that reason but ESPN obviously can't wrap it's collective brain around a metric that doesn't cap at 100.

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Capping at 100 and having an average performance is a great way to measure.

That is not the problem with QBR in the slighest. I love the scale, just not how it is determined.

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That is reflective of the offensive team as a whole. Could be the QB, could also be the line and/or the WRs

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Nah, this is definitely because RG3 holds the ball longer and looks to run nine times a game.

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Really? This is how we measure a QB?

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I just said that I was using all of the statistics on pro-football-reference.com under Passing. I never said which ones I supported.

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This shite is trotted out there so QBs like Big Ben and the like can be compared to the real greats.

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Ben is really good. He is in the second tier of QB's with Eli, Romo, and Ryan. His YPA is elite, which is generally the most telling of basic quarterbacking stats.

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If these statistics are worth a damn then I hope you were team tebow in all of the tebow threads last year. Also, I would rightfully argue that this is not reflective of just the QB position but the entire offensive unit.

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Not at all. You simply just asked to name one stat where Luck was better. I listed them. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Last post on this. I don't know who is going to be better. That is a frivolous argument, but right now RGIII is better plain and simple and there is nothing, nothing to support that Luck > RGIII.

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Well, that is kind of the whole point of this fricking discussion. We are attempting to predict their future successes or failures. From what I have watched, I am more impressed with Luck going forward. Look at the offenses they run. Look at the control and decision making that Luck makes. All signs point to elite for Luck.

Luck has a 2-14 team from a year ago sitting at 7-4 and in the thick of the playoff race. Cherry picking numbers aside, he's having a better year

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Completions, yards, yards per game are a by product of Luck's attempts just like all of RG3s great stats are a by product of His lack of attempts. Hey hey!

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You are mind blowingly stupid. VKC will at least admit he's going off the "eye test" so thats fine, but you really try, and fail, to interpret the numbers to favor luck. Completion percentage and attempts do not have any relation (I could understand if he were attempting like 10 passes a game). And despite his 140 fewer number of attempts he has 3 more TDs and isn't very far behind in completions. His YPA is higher, he completes a much higher percentage of his passes, and his QB rating is insanely higher. He also runs the ball 9 times a game, which you maddeningly deride, at 6.5 a pop. He is a better player in every single regard.

Now "all of his great stats" are a byproduct of his fewer attempts. Genius, explain to me how having more TDs with fewer attempts is a knock on him?

Jesus, you are stupid to the point it is irritating. I'm done with this

No, that's fine. I understood that. I usually enjoy your perspective.

Gybosandberg has fail littered throughout this thread and for a second had me

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Completion percentage and attempts do not have any relation

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Signed, Alex Smith and RG3.

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And despite his 140 fewer number of attempts he has 3 more TDs

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I acknowledged this. It's a great stat for Rg3. 7+ TDs of 30 yards or more.

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His YPA is higher, he completes a much higher percentage of his passes, and his QB rating is insanely higher

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Which is all made possible by his lack of passing attempts.

YPA? Who care how far the attempt is if he can't complete the pass? He's allowed to take more shots. What's his completion % on passes downfield?

Again, his passer rating is a byproduct of his attempts. Do you not know how it's calculated?

And Im stupid

No way!

These dudes are acting like I said Luck had better stats than RG3. All I said was take RG3's stats with a grain of salt and if you break them down they aren't as shiny as they look.

My main point was that Luck will be more successful, which he already is through 11 games.

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well, INDY won 2 games with almost the same roster last year.

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Indy and Washington are about equal in offensive stats, with Washington scoring more points per game. On defense is where the real difference is and where the skins are suffering. Washington averages about 8 pts more a game than Indy offensively.