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re: LHSAA's select/nonselect balance shifts again, playoff structure pending

Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:05 am to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:05 am to
Can someone explain to why and how they’ve gotten to this point. I’ve never understood the split or why it happened. Seems absolutely absurd on its face so I assume there’s some dumb political power play here?
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:07 am to
Butthurt North LA small schools
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30528 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:11 am to
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Butthurt North LA small schools
7 4a and 5A schools that were tired of losing to two certain schools. and created the "play in class" butt hurt from big boys too.....
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:15 am to
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Well yeah, whenever you’re allowed to get whoever the hell you want, you should be pretty good.


Dutchtown is currently actively recruiting a kid who goes to my kids private school.

Privates can't get whoever the hell they want. In some cases they offer better opportunities. Competition is a hell of a thing.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:30 am to
I know Dutchtown recruits. Lots of their players come from St. Gabriel. I’m just as much against public schools doing it too, especially when you support the split. West Monroe is another one.

That kid probably lives in the Dutchtown district though, and was recruited away by a private school. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to recruit kids from your district, who are thinking about going to a private school, or are already there. It’s when you go outside your district or parish, when it becomes a problem.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 11:33 am to
I do hope the brackets are no more than 20-24 teams though. No need for blowouts.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31041 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:12 pm to
How about everyone compete and start offering better education, better facilities, better coaching and better training? Let the kids go where they want and let the state dollars follow the kids.

fricking stupid we can't have school choice cause dumbass boomers think they own kids who live in their "district"

Sta4ever...frick you and frick your kind who want to control kids like you own them.
Posted by Cash
Vail
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37243 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:15 pm to
I was going to say pretty much the same thing but nicer. Looks like I don’t need to say it now.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Can someone explain to why and how they’ve gotten to this point. I’ve never understood the split or why it happened. Seems absolutely absurd on its face so I assume there’s some dumb political power play here?


Everyone, and I mean everyone, got tired o db JC and Evangel blatantly cheating and recruiting and winning their divisions more likely than not.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31041 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:24 pm to
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Everyone, and I mean everyone, got tired o db JC and Evangel blatantly cheating and recruiting and winning their divisions more likely than not.



how is it cheating?

look i went to public school, we were the best public 3a in the state my senior year and i would have a ring if it wasnt for private but this is the dumbest thought process i have ever seen.

first off....they arent paying the kids to come there, all they are doing is AT MAX offering a free education......oh you know...same thing the public schools are doing.

so they arent recruiting, they are just leveling the playing field.

guess what..if you school, program, facilities, training, coaching and history of getting kids into college was as good as the private he wouldnt be leaving.

the ones bitching about cheating would be much better served by putting the same energy on improving their own school and program.


oh and frick MANY, they are the worst. Get to pull from enrollment as big as Sulphur, but get to play non select 2A ball. bunch of pussies!!
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 10:58 am
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3369 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:48 pm to
The split is not great but it addressed an issue that 100% had to be looked at and should have been addressed when the LHSAA was first created. Public and private schools operate under different sets of rules. Now maybe the answer is to allow public schools to play kids for anywhere as long as they attend the school. I’m all about choice. But the people who throw out schools like Many as some gotcha are so short sighted, even with many’s Sabine parish advantage it doesn’t come close to the built in Advantage allowed to all private schools whether they take advantage of it or not. And the split isn’t about recruiting it is about which students can attend you school and be eligible which is where the disparity is in the rules. You put a private school on the same site as many and they could have players from the surrounding 4 parishes which we see with a lot schools. The answer isn’t t to go back to the terrible pre split stays quo where half the schools in the state play with 1 arm tied behind their back. It is end the split by fixing the initial issue. The poster who said we use to settle it on the field is so laughably ignorant by the way. Yeah settled it on the field with 2 separate set of rules.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 1:52 pm
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4411 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:04 pm to
The split was an overreaction to private schools recruiting and winning period. The problem is public schools recruit too. The bigger issue is getting a kid that transfers to your school "eligible" to play and if you know somebody in the LHSAA you have a better chance of getting that kid cleared. Typical Louisiana corruption. Put everybody back together and come up with harsher punishments for the coaches that recruit. Don't punish the kid or the school. Punish the adult that broke the rule.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31041 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:08 pm to
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The split was an overreaction to private schools recruiting and winning period. The problem is public schools recruit too. The bigger issue is getting a kid that transfers to your school "eligible" to play and if you know somebody in the LHSAA you have a better chance of getting that kid cleared. Typical Louisiana corruption. Put everybody back together and come up with harsher punishments for the coaches that recruit. Don't punish the kid or the school. Punish the adult that broke the rule.


or here is an idea...allow full school choice and kids just play where they go to school and stop making decisions based on athletics.

let the kids go where they want and let the schools compete!!
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4411 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 2:11 pm to
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or here is an idea...allow full school choice and kids just play where they go to school and stop making decisions based on athletics.

let the kids go where they want and let the schools compete!!


I could go for that too. It will never happen though because it would completely gut many public schools in this state. I don't see that as a negative but I assure the people collecting a hefty salary to keep those schools running well below the national average won't be happy.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47564 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:06 pm to
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The poster who said we use to settle it on the field


We did. I personally saw John Curtis lose in the Dome to a nonselect school. They had advantages, not guaranteed championships

But some would never be happy until Curtis had a down year with no athletes and a 2-8 record or something
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48306 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:22 pm to
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to recruit kids from your district, who are thinking about going to a private school, or are already there.




Of course you don’t

St. Amant and every other public school has the biggest advantage in all of this - it’s free to go there
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
13248 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 3:45 pm to
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7 4a and 5A schools that were tired of losing to two certain schools. and created the "play in class" butt hurt from big boys too.....


And to add insult to injury having to split playoff gate money and sell concessions with/to a 1A and 2A size crowd.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47564 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 4:56 pm to
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St. Amant and every other public school has the biggest advantage in all of this - it’s free to go there


Problem is you get what you pay for… some will pay tuition (or not) to have better teammates and a more realistic chance at a title.
Posted by Cash
Vail
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37243 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:11 pm to
I’d like to add recruiting is not just kids going from public to private a friend of mines kid was recruited from one of the 5A Catholic league teams to SCC. He was a freshman qb and the starter was a sophomore. Everyone realized he likely wouldn’t play until his senior year.

SCC offered him nothing but the chance to compete and a more favorable depth chart. They happily paid tuition at each school.

The Catholic league school would have loved to keep him. They didn’t get everyone they wanted.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:39 am
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30528 posts
Posted on 9/8/22 at 5:16 pm to
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Clown show run by the head clown


99% of what caused this happened under previous regimes
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