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LHSAA institutes mandatory pitch count in baseball
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:32 pm
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:33 pm to rt3
125 for a 14-18 year old is insane
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:38 pm to tduecen
Better than what we had in Louisiana. Some coaches abuse the pitcher. I remember Leon Landry when was in hs. He pitched what seemed like every game.
Actually his freshman year at LSU his arm was jelly all year.
Actually his freshman year at LSU his arm was jelly all year.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:40 pm to tduecen
Yeah these rules are very loose, essentially making sure no coach absolutely taxes a kid.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:43 pm to rt3
Just got a text from the LSUsaint saying he's okay with the idea of a limit, but thinks it should be higher...150. Thinks LHSAA needs to nut up and let these kids play.
I will say this, curious if this leads to an increase or decrease in fights when coaches come into take out pitchers. Especially with something as important as District on the line.
I will say this, curious if this leads to an increase or decrease in fights when coaches come into take out pitchers. Especially with something as important as District on the line.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 12:54 pm to Lou Pai
Those look familiar...are they about the same as Little League limits (minus the max number)?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:05 pm to Lou Pai
IMO, no way it should be 150.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:11 pm to Lou Pai
quote:know how I know you have no chance at state?
Especially with something as important as District on the line.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:13 pm to rt3
This is a step in a good direction, but far too high. They only play 7 innings. 125 pitches is a bad number. 100 would be more in tune with 7 innings.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:15 pm to tduecen
quote:this is the Emerson Gibbs rule 2.0... But some of these seniors are full grown baws who can go 125
125 for a 14-18 year old is insane
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:17 pm to rt3
This is good. No reason for a kid to kill his arm in HS and get Tommy John. And there's no reason for a kid to throw 150. 125 is a good start.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:18 pm to tduecen
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125 for a 14-18 year old is insane
Yep.
And I'd wager that I went way past that on half of my starts in high school...which is why my shoulder is fricked.
I could have helped my cause if I found the plate more often, but still...my counts were always stupid high and literally no one was paying a lick of attention.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:22 pm to chalmetteowl
I'm joking. Check the thread I linked.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:34 pm to rt3
Two things...
Pitch counts are stupid. If you aren't counting all throws then why count any of them? The rule even says "pickoff attempts, warm up pitches, pitches ruled as a no pitch [...],and extra pitches allowed by and umpire due to injury will not count toward the pitch total." So how can we say that we are limiting the amount of throws a kid has when we aren't counting half of them? The main thing that needs to be done is: cut out most of the travel ball, fall ball, summer ball crap, and teach the kids how to manage their arm by conditioning, long toss, proper weight lifting.
Secondly, what happens when a coach tries to skirt the rule, and the other coach calls him on it mid-game... does the umpire step in? If they don't are they at risk of law suit, just like with the concussion protocol? Are they at risk if they allow extra pitches due to injury or call a no pitch and the kid get injured on pitch 126?
Pitch counts are stupid. If you aren't counting all throws then why count any of them? The rule even says "pickoff attempts, warm up pitches, pitches ruled as a no pitch [...],and extra pitches allowed by and umpire due to injury will not count toward the pitch total." So how can we say that we are limiting the amount of throws a kid has when we aren't counting half of them? The main thing that needs to be done is: cut out most of the travel ball, fall ball, summer ball crap, and teach the kids how to manage their arm by conditioning, long toss, proper weight lifting.
Secondly, what happens when a coach tries to skirt the rule, and the other coach calls him on it mid-game... does the umpire step in? If they don't are they at risk of law suit, just like with the concussion protocol? Are they at risk if they allow extra pitches due to injury or call a no pitch and the kid get injured on pitch 126?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:46 pm to rt3
A few years ago rummel and Jesuit went 15 innings. Rummel starter threw 10 innings and 150 or so pitches. Jesuits guy three all 15 and had 250 pitches. This needed to happen
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:29 pm to SaturdayTraditions
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Secondly, what happens when a coach tries to skirt the rule, and the other coach calls him on it mid-game... does the umpire step in? If they don't are they at risk of law suit, just like with the concussion protocol? Are they at risk if they allow extra pitches due to injury or call a no pitch and the kid get injured on pitch 126?
rule seems pretty black & white
on pitch 125... the pitcher is allowed to finish that AB then come out... no ifs, ands or buts
I know an umpire isn't keeping a pitch count... but the opposing team coaches are... they should call it out to the umpire if the other team is trying to skirt the rule
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:03 am to rt3
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rule seems pretty black & white on pitch 125... the pitcher is allowed to finish that AB then come out... no ifs, ands or buts I know an umpire isn't keeping a pitch count... but the opposing team coaches are... they should call it out to the umpire if the other team is trying to skirt the rule
What is the umpire's responsibility though? Does he force the change? Does he let the kid pitch and the opposing coach appeal to LHSAA for the forfeit and suspension?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:24 am to SaturdayTraditions
Seems to me the 'official pitch counter' should be keeping the umps informed on this.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:25 am to SaturdayTraditions
I don't understand how anyone can argue against these rules.
I can only think of a few exceptions where a coach of any kind in any league or tournament didn't personally abide by these rules as stated.
As far as implementation goes, they could enact a rule whereby the accused coach can accept the charge, or allow his pitcher to continue at the risk of doubling his suspension.
I can only think of a few exceptions where a coach of any kind in any league or tournament didn't personally abide by these rules as stated.
As far as implementation goes, they could enact a rule whereby the accused coach can accept the charge, or allow his pitcher to continue at the risk of doubling his suspension.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:31 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Seems to me the 'official pitch counter' should be keeping the umps informed on this.
You aren't understanding my question... in the rules listed in the OP there is no outline for if or when an umpire should intervene to make a ruling or force a substitution. My question is... if the umpire is made aware of it and Doesn't force the sub, is he under any legal liability?
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