re: Let's do a vote. Death Penalty for Penn State?

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Yes, you are. And the resident Penn State fan just a few posts up thinks that they should basically self impose it for a year, so it must not be that cr

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It's crazy. You're asking to deliver a lot of punishment to a lot of innocent people for purposes of punishing the nonfeasance of three people no longer affiliated with the University.

The University should self-impose a year as a public relations move. The Penn State fans realize that.

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No one is saying they shouldn't or can't receive penalties in some form but not one of you with your continuous postings has posted anything supporting the Death Penalty in Penn State's case as the NCAA applies it.

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here's some insight from the bylaw blog, run by the loyola marymount assistant director of compliance john infante, w/ the blessing and encouragement of the NCAA. he discusses some of the options on the table, and offers some perspective from someone that apparently knows the actual tools available.

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Bylaw 3.2.5 Loss of Active Membership

3.2.5.1 Termination or Suspension. The membership of any active member failing to maintain the academic or athletics standards required for such membership or failing to meet the conditions and obligations of membership may be suspended, terminated, or otherwise disciplined by a vote of two-thirds of the delegates present and voting at an annual Convention.

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he goes on to state

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Under this bylaw, the membership of the NCAA could do virtually anything to Penn State. They could cut scholarships, impose the death penalty, give postseason or TV bans, fine the school, or make up any other punishment. Penn State’s membership could be terminated or suspended, meaning the school loses all rights and privileges of being a member of the NCAA. That effectively means an indefinite death penalty for the entire athletic department.

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With all the focus on the NCAA’s normal enforcement process, the challenge has been to shoehorn potential violations of catch-all bylaws like unethical conduct or lack of institutional control into a process designed to start with more specific misconduct. Discipline at an annual convention needs none of that, and the conditions and obligations of membership include the most catch-all of all catch-all bylaws in the NCAA Manual:

Bylaw 3.2.4.12 Standards. Active members agree to maintain high standards of personal honor, eligibility and fair play

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A Fate Worse Than Death
and from his first post on the subject:

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Simply put, the NCAA is poorly equipped for this sort of scandal. The lack of investigative tools has not been a big impediment, with a number of state and federal agencies poking around. But the entire concept of how the NCAA penalizes schools is at odds with what is needed in this case. Even novel potential penalties that might apply, like prohibiting Penn State from operating youth sports camps for at time seem trivial compared to the seriousness of what occurred.

As soon as the scandal broke, the NCAA was always going to be backed into a corner. The letter sent to Penn State did not change the NCAA’s status, it just acknowledged what it was: that the NCAA was going to need to make a very difficult decision to get involved in a case on the limits of its jurisdiction. If the letter did anything, it established that the NCAA would be focused on how the running of Penn State athletics may have contributed to the problem, rather than holding a school responsible for the criminal actions of a single staff member.

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Earlier post

How does this...

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The University should self-impose a year as a public relations move. The Penn State fans realize that.

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not equal this?

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You're asking to deliver a lot of punishment to a lot of innocent people for purposes of punishing the nonfeasance of three people no longer affiliated with the University.

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So if they self impose it's ok, but the NCAA shouldn't do it? It appears you think they should not have football for a year, which is the same thing I'm saying, but yet you still argue.

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My reasoning contains many parts. It would show that PSU was serious about moving forward, it would satisfy the current outrage, and lastly it would give the victims, the school, and the fans time to heal. One year off will not kill PSU football with the understanding that PSU remains in the Big 10.

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And all of this is fine. I wish these other guys would realize that whether the NCAA makes it happen or PSU self imposes, it's what should happen.

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The University should self-impose a year as a public relations move. The Penn State fans realize that.

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Cowardly!!!!!

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That doesn't mean that I think people like you are right.

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Then why give in to people like me if what I think should happen is so irrational?

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And public perception, right or wrong, is something that a large public institution has to be mindful of.

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And so with that in mind, maybe the officials that the PSU BOT put in place to represent the university should not have decided to cover up the rape of children in exchange for protecting the image of the university. And just maybe, they should be punished for that decision.

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that's why it reached the point it did. fear of destroying the brand.

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Funny how that works sometimes.

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So now you think the punishment should flow to the BOT based on negligent hiring?

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No, I think that the lack of oversight from everyone involved means the institution should be punished for not having control over their staff. How does this go on for decades in campus facilities with "no one" finding out unless there is a huge cover up?

The answer is it can't.

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food for thought from Tom Jones - writer for local newspaper St Petersburg Times.

Something to consider

In the wake of the horrible things that happened —and apparently were allowed to happen — at Penn State, there's a growing sentiment that the football program should come under the so-called "death penalty." Some believe the NCAA should shut it down and, if it doesn't, the school itself should close the doors on football.

Any time one writes or talks about former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abusing boys and the school's cover-up, you feel it necessary to acknowledge that, truly, we hope the victims can live as normally and peacefully as possible. Nothing is more important than that. And suggesting Penn State not come under the death penalty does not mean one does not care about the victims.

However, here's one fact that, perhaps, some who want the death penalty have not considered. Football at Penn State, like most Division I-A schools, provides the bulk of the revenue for the entire athletic department. To shut down the football program might cripple all sports at Penn State.

Athletes in every sport — baseball, track, wrestling, women's softball, volleyball and so forth — could be forced to transfer from a school where they are established, especially in their degree path.

Those who work in the athletic department, including secretaries, administrators and other support staff, might lose their jobs, in some cases, only years or months away from retirement and pensions. These are good, hard-working people no different than you and me, people just trying to make a living.

Think about Beaver Stadium, where the football team plays. Think of all the office staff, maintenance workers and groundskeepers who would no longer be needed. Think of those whose supplement their meager incomes by working as ushers, concession workers, ticket takers, security or parking lot attendants on game day.

Let's go further. Think of all the businesses — from mom-and-pop motels to locally owned diners to office and equipment suppliers to even churches and such that rent out parking lots on game day — that rely on Penn State football for a major chunk of their annual income.

None of these people or businesses had anything to do with what happened at Penn State. Yet they would be punished. Maybe you're okay with that. Maybe you don't care. And if that's how you feel, that's certainly your right.

But it is something to think about before we just demand the football program be given the death penalty.