re: Lane Kiffin is in trouble

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Actually, you do. FMLA

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the kid is NOT an employee of the University

Kiffin is using an employee and boss analogy, but the student athlete has no rights as n employee. FMLA is for employees

this kind of shite is why the NCAA and member schools fought so hard against paying student athletes and making them university employees. They didn't want the athletes to have employee rights

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Actually, you do. FMLA

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Uhhhhh lol

Mental health is real, and should be tested. However, if you suffer from certain mental health conditions, you should be expected to not be able to participate in everything. If your mental health keeps you from being accountable to meetings and functions, football isn’t for you

If I had a fear of heights and flying, I shouldn’t expect delta to try and accommodate me in becoming a pilot.

$40,000,000.

The OP doesn’t provide the full details of the story and falsely makes it seem like Rollins simply “ghosted” Kiffin. This does not appear to be the case. Instead, it appears that Rollins was in communication with a university official Josie Nicholson.

Based on the quoted timeline below, it appears that Rollins told Kiffin in a meeting sometime in February that he needed a mental health break.

Rollins followed what would seem to be a correct protocol by meeting with a Athletic
Department employee who told him to take
time away on February 28. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO KIFFIN BY THAT UNIVERSITY OFFICIAL.

The next day, March 1, Kiffin through the assistant coach said he wanted to meet with the player. Rollins, on March 7…a week after what looks like his first appointment with the UNIVERSITY EMPLOYED sports psychologist…stated he wasn’t ready. At that point the university employed psychologist should have again communicated to Kiffin that the medical
recommendation was the player needed a break.

Rollins met with Kiffin on March 21. Two weeks later. That’s not quite an exorbitant amount of time in this situation. And again, it’s not like Kiffin was completely ghosted and had absolutely no idea what was going on.

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He said he was moved from defensive tackle to scout team offensive line, with Kiffin telling him in February that "if he didn't like it, then he should quit," according to the lawsuit. Rollins told the coach he was taking a mental health break. He met on Feb. 28 with Josie Nicholson, the school's assistant athletic director for sport psychology, who encouraged him to take time off. Rollins said Joyner told him March 1 that Kiffin wanted to meet with him. At a March 7 meeting with Nicholson, Rollins said he wasn't ready at the time. He met with Kiffin on March 21, recording the meeting, according to the lawsuit. Their conversation became confrontational, with Kiffin allegedly saying, "Get out of here. Go, you're off the team. You're done. See ya. Go.

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Some of y’all are so wrapped up in the dogma of “oh athletes are coddled spoiled babies”, “mental health is not real”
and obsessed with things you label as “woke” that you can’t objectively look at a situation. No wonder
there is such a stigma about people
seeking help for mental health issues. Someone else mentioned if the kid had cancer the university would have played up the situation for PR purposes.

Kiffin is supposed to be the adult /professional in the room. He comes
off as a child who was angry that Rollins didn’t show up when he demanded it. Yes,
it’s certainly his “right” as the head coach to instruct a player to meet with him. And the player did in fact meet with.

Was the player completely right in how he handled it? Could he be “embellishing” his defense of mental illness? Possibly. But honestly, isn’t a 20 year old “young adult” entitled to a little more leeway in judgement than a 40+ year old professional who is paid millions of
Dollars a year?

It’s pretty clear that, partially due to injury, Rollins didn’t meet the performance expectations of the Ole Miss program
And they wanted him gone, asking him to enter the portal in November. This was probably because Kiffin wanted to open up the scholarship for the Spring semester. FB scholarships are year to year, but for a full year.

All Kiffin had to do at the March 21 meeting is be an adult and a professional - tell the kid they weren’t renewing his football scholarship for next season and he was no longer part of the team. The university has provisions for providing non athletic scholarships to guys who are medically retired like that.

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Good, now Lane can practice what he preaches and resign so a black coach can have his head coaching job.

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Deion Sanders? Would that make you feel better?

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The OP doesn’t provide the full details of the story and falsely makes it seem like Rollins simply “ghosted” Kiffin. This does not appear to be the case. Instead, it appears that Rollins was in communication with a university official Josie Nicholson.

Based on the quoted timeline below, it appears that Rollins told Kiffin in a meeting sometime in February that he needed a mental health break.

Rollins followed what would seem to be a correct protocol by meeting with a Athletic
Department employee who told him to take
time away on February 28. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO KIFFIN BY THAT UNIVERSITY OFFICIAL.

The next day, March 1, Kiffin through the assistant coach said he wanted to meet with the player. Rollins, on March 7…a week after what looks like his first appointment with the UNIVERSITY EMPLOYED sports psychologist…stated he wasn’t ready. At that point the university employed psychologist should have again communicated to Kiffin that the medical
recommendation was the player needed a break.

Rollins met with Kiffin on March 21. Two weeks later. That’s not quite an exorbitant amount of time in this situation. And again, it’s not like Kiffin was completely ghosted and had absolutely no idea what was going on.


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He said he was moved from defensive tackle to scout team offensive line, with Kiffin telling him in February that "if he didn't like it, then he should quit," according to the lawsuit. Rollins told the coach he was taking a mental health break. He met on Feb. 28 with Josie Nicholson, the school's assistant athletic director for sport psychology, who encouraged him to take time off. Rollins said Joyner told him March 1 that Kiffin wanted to meet with him. At a March 7 meeting with Nicholson, Rollins said he wasn't ready at the time. He met with Kiffin on March 21, recording the meeting, according to the lawsuit. Their conversation became confrontational, with Kiffin allegedly saying, "Get out of here. Go, you're off the team. You're done. See ya. Go.


Some of y’all are so wrapped up in the dogma of “oh athletes are coddled spoiled babies”, “mental health is not real”
and obsessed with things you label as “woke” that you can’t objectively look at a situation. No wonder
there is such a stigma about people
seeking help for mental health issues. Someone else mentioned if the kid had cancer the university would have played up the situation for PR purposes.

Kiffin is supposed to be the adult /professional in the room. He comes
off as a child who was angry that Rollins didn’t show up when he demanded it. Yes,
it’s certainly his “right” as the head coach to instruct a player to meet with him. And the player did in fact meet with.

Was the player completely right in how he handled it? Could he be “embellishing” his defense of mental illness? Possibly. But honestly, isn’t a 20 year old “young adult” entitled to a little more leeway in judgement than a 40+ year old professional who is paid millions of
Dollars a year?

It’s pretty clear that, partially due to injury, Rollins didn’t meet the performance expectations of the Ole Miss program
And they wanted him gone, asking him to enter the portal in November. This was probably because Kiffin wanted to open up the scholarship for the Spring semester. FB scholarships are year to year, but for a full year.

All Kiffin had to do at the March 21 meeting is be an adult and a professional - tell the kid they weren’t renewing his football scholarship for next season and he was no longer part of the team. The university has provisions for providing non athletic scholarships to guys who are medically retired like that.

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I am still siding with Kiffin. Even if the university officials did not inform Kiffin that Rollins was taking a mental health break. Rollins should have called, texted, or emailed Kiffin saying something like "Hey Coach, I just wanted to update you. I spoke with person X in the athletic department and person X told me that I should take a mental health break. Per, university policy I will not be available for practice or team activities as a result during my mental health break. Have a great day." If Rollins had done that then the coach would know what is going on and probably helped Rollins get help.

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I am still siding with Kiffin. Even if the university officials did not inform Kiffin that Rollins was taking a mental health break. Rollins should have called, texted, or emailed Kiffin saying something like "Hey Coach, I just wanted to update you. I spoke with person X in the athletic department and person X told me that I should take a mental health break. Per, university policy I will not be available for practice or team activities as a result during my mental health break. Have a great day." If Rollins had done that then the coach would know what is going on and probably helped Rollins get help.

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So a 20 year olds possible failure to communicate is inexcusable in your eyes.

But it’s fine if a 48 year old “adult”
Who is paid millions to throw the temper
tantrum Kiffin did.


I mean, if you want to hold both to the same standard that’s fine….but there’s no way to justify giving Kiffin the free pass.

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Whooboy, If that had happened in Florida he might be going to jail. You can't specifically record someone without their knowledge.

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It is irrelevant what the law in Florida is. In Mississippi, it is legal

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Mental health is real, and should be tested. However, if you suffer from certain mental health conditions, you should be expected to not be able to participate in everything. If your mental health keeps you from being accountable to meetings and functions, football isn’t for you

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What you say carries weight.

If this was a case of say, a player who had a long pattern of being late for or skipping team meetings, not going to class and so forth than yes, at some point then you can make the argument that the mental health condition precludes participation and can’t be used as an excuse for a lack of accountability….especially when it is brought up AFTER the fact.

But in this circumstance that doesn’t appear to be the case. Kiffin knew in February the kid had health issues and needed a break. As others have said, if the kid told Kiffin he had Leukemia, Kiffin wouldn’t have treated him the same.