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re: Kirk Herbstreit and Desmond Howard puzzled why NY6 games are "meaningless" to people
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I can understand for the very few who have an NFL future, but why would it be meaningless for the others? 98% of teams have no shot at a title from day one. So are all their games meaningless?
Because ESPN has made them meaningless with the way they cover the sport in the CFP Era. Their whole "Who's In?" marketing campaign for the season automatically excludes, as you said, 98% of the field. And then as teams rack up that second loss for the year, ESPN talks about them less and less. It's all playoffs all the time and they hardly ever talk about any of the bowls that fall outside of it.
And then as someone else mentioned, ESPN does nothing but hype up the CFP in their pre-game, in-game, halftime, and post-game coverage of EVERY. SINGLE. BOWL. GAME. As a player of a school who has no shot at making the CFP, why the freak do I care about what happens for the rest of the season when the network that has a monopoly on coverage of the sport does not talk about me? It's going to get even worse when you consider that this monopoly now has a multi-billion-dollar TV contract with the Southeastern Conference that goes into effect in September of next year.
That'll just make it more difficult for schools outside the SEC to get any kind of coverage from the network that has exclusive rights to the CFP.
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:08 pm to sms151t
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People absolutely despised the BCS but yet now it’s the GOAT
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:09 pm to RollTide1987
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They go on to blame player entitlement
Maybe players are smarter now… they figured out that the risk outweighed the reward for everything but the CFP
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:10 pm to BuckyCheese
Fiesta bowl is starting now. NY6 game, huge game, at least one team with a national following, maybe 60% capacity. This is insane.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:11 pm to sms151t
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I love the revisionist nostalgia people are having of the BCS.
People absolutely despised the BCS but yet now it’s the GOAT
I’m not sure. I do think most people preferred a playoff but I also don’t know if the BCS was despised by everyone.
I personally enjoyed college football much more when it was the BCS but
I already said that could just be my personal feeling (I had fewer other obligations in my life 8+ years ago). We also pretty much lost a season Bc of Covid and then had the BLM nonsense.
Basically, if Bama weren’t so tiresomely dominant, the playoff might be more popular than it is Bc it would be more fun.
Of course there are still other issues out there.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:13 pm to RollTide1987
The amount of major football players who truly love the game has gone down and the amount of players who love what football can bring them has gone up.
Add in a bunch of family members, agents, and advisors that prey on kids and make it 100% about money, and you have the culture that’s out there now. Everything is about getting that big NFL payday.
Add in a bunch of family members, agents, and advisors that prey on kids and make it 100% about money, and you have the culture that’s out there now. Everything is about getting that big NFL payday.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:16 pm to biglego
Most people hated the BCS because at that time we had more parity. Going to 4 teams seemed like the right thing to do. The problem now is teams like Bama and usually one other team are head and shoulders above everyone else. Most years have given us blowout after blowout.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:17 pm to biglego
I liked the BCS best when computers provided 60% of the total. It's gone downhill from there. Humans dramatically skew their votes with internal biases based on name recognition, emotions, and recency bias.
Computers just crunch the data and unapologetically give you the answer.
Computers just crunch the data and unapologetically give you the answer.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:18 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Fiesta bowl is starting now. NY6 game, huge game, at least one team with a national following, maybe 60% capacity. This is insane.
Irony is the Citrus Bowl with Iowa and Kentucky is packed. Two schools that have no illusions about who they are but the fans still support the teams.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:24 pm to RollTide1987
It’s the sports culture we’ve created. Rings Uber Alles. We have a thread right now calling a coach that’s 55-10 in 5 years overrated because he hasn’t won a NC in his first 5 year. We label great players “losers” in team sports because they don’t win titles then act surprised with the “decision” or Durant signing with the Warriors.
Don’t blame ESPN look in the mirror
Don’t blame ESPN look in the mirror
Posted on 1/1/22 at 12:37 pm to RollTide1987
Coach Kelly opted out of coaching the ND bowl game.
What’s happened in last two years is players are starting to act more like coaches in how they approach their futures and people don’t like that.
What’s happened in last two years is players are starting to act more like coaches in how they approach their futures and people don’t like that.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:17 pm to Mohican
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Player mentality is definitely different but it’s not like they aren’t making rational decisions.
For as much criticism as the players get, they are still young & some are very immature. The question then becomes, why are so many kids getting such bad advice from their parents, girlfriends, family, friends, handlers, etc.?
To me, these people have their hands out as well which adds to the entitled/greed mindset of players. Kids are ones who are visible & names are associated with their decision making but I strongly believe a great deal of these kids aren't making these decisions totally on their own.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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It’s the sports culture we’ve created. Rings Uber Alles. We have a thread right now calling a coach that’s 55-10 in 5 years overrated because he hasn’t won a NC in his first 5 year. We label great players “losers” in team sports because they don’t win titles then act surprised with the “decision” or Durant signing with the Warriors.
Don’t blame ESPN look in the mirror
This message board & social media era is both a gift & a curse. These platforms allow fans across the world to discuss their favorite teams & players but at the same time, it has given shite fans a place to voice absolute insane & shite opinions.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:35 pm to RollTide1987
The CFP didn’t change shite. We went from a playoff of 2 to a playoff of 4. That isn’t some cataclysmic event that shook the foundation of college football. You want to see why the sport is going downhill, it’s $$$’s growing influence plus ESPN and the shite job they do.
Let’s start with ESPN pulling all the strings with conferences, forcing realignment, and destroying rivalries and conferences across the country.
Let’s start with ESPN pulling all the strings with conferences, forcing realignment, and destroying rivalries and conferences across the country.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:38 pm to nola tiger lsu
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these kids have no understanding of a team and loyalty.
This is overstated.
If I'm a potential first round - second round pick in the NFL and I'm not on a team in the playoff, I'm not risking my (and my future generation's) livelihood just so Nola Tiger LSU will think I'm loyal.
Any of these players who will go on to the NFL get hurt in one of these non CFP bowl games, then what? A bunch of randoms on a message board talk about how it's a shame I got hurt, for two weeks, then everyone goes on with their life except the player who is now screwed out of millions.
As if anyone in here has never left a job for a better opportunity elsewhere.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:50 pm to dcrews
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Any of these players who will go on to the NFL get hurt in one of these non CFP bowl games, then what?
While I agree with your thought, why risk their future livelihoods in a playoff game that is meaningless once they move to the NFL?m?
Does the playoff game give out a pay day we aren't aware of???
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:52 pm to nola tiger lsu
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it is absolutely entitled kids
Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Um...look in the freaking mirror guys. ESPN is the one who made these bowl games seem meaningless with their push for a playoff and then that stupid "Who's In?" marketing campaign
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 1:57 pm to TigerDat
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While I agree with your thought, why risk their future livelihoods in a playoff game that is meaningless once they move to the NFL?m?
Does the playoff game give out a pay day we aren't aware of???
I wouldn't be mad at them for opting out of a playoff game either.
That would be my personal line if I were a player in that situation.
At the end of the day, I'm okay with something as long as a sitting out an entire season if you think you can still go first round.
As a fan, I'd love for them to keep playing. However I've never understood fans on message boards who will lambast a kid for not wanting to risk millions all so they can watch them play one more game.
If anyone of us had a job lined up that would potentially pay us 8 figures for our career, and going to work for our two week notice could potentially risk that money, no one should be faulted for skipping the two weeks.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 2:03 pm to dcrews
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At the end of the day, I'm okay with something as long as a sitting out an entire season if you think you can still go first round
I don't fault anyone for their opinions but just pointing out that the argument of it being a non CFP game as reason to sit out really doesn't change much.
While being the CFP champion is a great achievement that very few have the opportunity to reach, is it worth the chance of career ending injury, especially since it's 2 extra games instead of one?
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