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re: Kirk Cousins: Where Does He End Up?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:52 am to shel311
Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:52 am to shel311
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It's not as simple as that. If they let him go because he wants and some other team will give him $30mil/year for 5 years, Washington made the right decision.
I just don't see that happening, there simply is not that kind of market out there. He will ask and get around $22mil a year which is a fair market value for him. The Redskins started this mess from the start. If they had offered him a 5 year 20mil deal he would have taken it. Instead they have paid him $77m for 3 years and inflated his value.
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Posted on 12/27/17 at 10:56 am to offshoretrash
quote:Stafford got an AAV of $27mil with $92mil guaranteed if I recall.
I just don't see that happening, there simply is not that kind of market out there. He will ask and get around $22mil a year which is a fair market value for him. The Redskins started this mess from the start. If they had offered him a 5 year 20mil deal he would have taken it. Instead they have paid him $77m for 3 years and inflated his value.
Somebody will screw up and give Cousins something similar IMO.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:03 am to offshoretrash
Hindsight is fun, so you would have given Cousins a 100M contract off one season where they finished 9-7 and got blown out in a playoff game they were favored to win?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:14 am to shel311
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it's not going to magically get better.
No one is expecting "magic".
What I expect under Bob Quinn is the capability to put together a competitive roster from top-to-bottom, which was never the case under Martin Mayhew. It's your choice to continue to be ignorant of the actual numbers and the Lions cap situation going forward.
Understand the numbers, then post.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:16 am to brgfather129
lol ok.
Sure thing.
Sure thing.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:24 am to brmark70816
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Hindsight is fun, so you would have given Cousins a 100M contract off one season where they finished 9-7 and got blown out in a playoff game they were favored to win?
5yr/100mil with the 40mil guaranteed right? Isn't that what the original numbers were?
If memory serves me correctly than yes you would. You gave him 20mil of it alone in the first year (first tag). If he played well, do you honestly think he signs another cheap deal? No, well then it becomes a 2yr/44mil (2nd tag) and you're already in a larger hole than giving him the 40mil guarantee. Now its worse because you have less leverage if he were to continue to play well and you don't technically have him past 2 years either.
If he played poorly on a tag, you could let him walk and not risk another 20mil. If he played poorly on the 5yr contract you risk in total about 40mil.
Hindsight is a stupid, but the redskins were not in a win-win or lose-lose situation, it would have been a calculated risk that any team would have taken and they idiotically risked a long term deal for a potential franchise QB. They made themselves lose-lose by cornering themselves instead of taking a risk.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:37 am to shel311
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This is what I don't get about the crowd arguing for WAS to pay him.
They say the team around him isn't good enough. But then they want WAS to give him more money, thus making the team around him even worse.
In what world does that work out with sustained success, especially in the postseason?
It's maddening. A complete failure to understand the concept of allocating finite resources.
shite, the more I see guys like Cousins, Wilson, Prescott, etc. having success, I actually start to wonder about a strategy of churning through mid-round senior QBs on rookie deals and maintaining a roster around that position that is loaded to the teeth. If you find a Tom Brady, you can adjust.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:47 am to tilco
Not sure, but there are some QB's in free agency that can help you win, and with solid defense, get to playoffs.
Have we had this many qb's who can actually help ur team in free agency pool???
Have we had this many qb's who can actually help ur team in free agency pool???
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:54 pm to htran90
No, Cousins wanted 5y/100M with about 70 guaranteed. The Skins offered 4y/70M with about 40 guaranteed. The 1st franchise tag was 18M. You can't keeping adding the costs each offseason. If he got the big contract, he would have made 40ish the first two seasons, instead he's made 42. So not a huge difference..
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:23 pm to brmark70816
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, he would have made 40ish the first two seasons, instead he's made 42. So not a huge difference..
The issue is, one option gives you the leverage and choice for the following 2-3 years at a reasonable cost. The other option gives you no leverage for a low cost if he were to play well.
The initial 2 year cost would have been the same. The years 3 and so on would not be. they risked it and lost, in doing so they won games they shouldn't have and now they're not in position to get one of the qbs
Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:54 pm to htran90
quote:I think he's correct on the hindsight thing though. That was based off of 1 Cousins season, correct?
The issue is, one option gives you the leverage and choice for the following 2-3 years at a reasonable cost. The other option gives you no leverage for a low cost if he were to play well.
The initial 2 year cost would have been the same. The years 3 and so on would not be. they risked it and lost, in doing so they won games they shouldn't have and now they're not in position to get one of the qbs
We see that flash in the pan type season a decent amount, and had that gone the other route and Cousins had been a subpar QB, that's $70mil guaranteed over 5 years.
Knowing what you know now, sure they missed out...but it definitely would have been risky IMO and in the moment had potential to really backfire.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 2:16 pm to htran90
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in doing so they won games they shouldn't have and now they're not in position to get one of the qbs
Lol
One playoff appearance as the full time starter
Posted on 12/27/17 at 2:23 pm to Crowknowsbest
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shite, the more I see guys like Cousins, Wilson, Prescott, etc. having success, I actually start to wonder about a strategy of churning through mid-round senior QBs on rookie deals and maintaining a roster around that position that is loaded to the teeth. If you find a Tom Brady, you can adjust.
For every Wilson, there's a billion Ryan Malletts.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 2:46 pm to brmark70816
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The Redskins are loaded with talent...an all pro tight end
Who is this? The guy who is 45 or the guy who plays about 1.5 games a year avg?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:00 pm to Crowknowsbest
Redskins fans don’t appreciate Kirk, but if he leaves they will.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:52 pm to Minden tiger
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Redskins fans don’t appreciate Kirk, but if he leaves they will.
Yea today’s performance was awesome
Under 200 yards and 3 interceptions
The third being in crunch time during the potential game tying drive
Yet again coming up small when it matters this time against the terrible Giants led by Eli.
For us Skins fans who watch him week and week out we see what goes on, everyone else just sees the padded stat line.
This post was edited on 12/31/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
who are you gong to get who is comparable?
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
For the money he wants.....
He is a tier 2 guy demanding elite tier 1 money
Games like this are exactly why you have to be reluctant about paying him richest QB in the NFL money.
He is a tier 2 guy demanding elite tier 1 money
Games like this are exactly why you have to be reluctant about paying him richest QB in the NFL money.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don’t disagree with either side. Cousins isn’t a guy that’s going to win a bunch of playoff games for you IMO but he’s not bad enough that you can let him walk
Posted on 12/31/17 at 3:45 pm to tilco
East coast Gmen or West Coast Cards. Good to have options
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