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re: Josh Hamilton: Rangers fans are spoiled - DFW is not a true baseball town
Posted on 2/19/13 at 9:52 am to Baloo
Posted on 2/19/13 at 9:52 am to Baloo
It's also not just the Rangers. Jayson friggin' Werth got 7 years $125 million going into his age 32 season. Hamilton is also going into his age 32 season and while he got less years, he got the same amount of money as Werth. Who, as we know, doesn;t have an MVP on his mantle.
Everyone in baseball stayed away from Hamilton, relative to his production. Why didn't he get a $200 million deal? Almost entirely because of his off the field crap.
Everyone in baseball stayed away from Hamilton, relative to his production. Why didn't he get a $200 million deal? Almost entirely because of his off the field crap.
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Posted on 2/19/13 at 9:55 am to Baloo
For all Hamilton has been through he still has a monstrous ego and is a giant pain in the arse. He may be right about what he said, but there was no reason to say it.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 9:55 am to Baloo
His past addiction problems in relation to his age... ""Will he break down sooner than others.
That was the biggest question..
But yea his personality ...
That was the biggest question..
But yea his personality ...
Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:10 am to Baloo
Barry Bonds gets a pass, but Hamilton committed the mortal sin of not trying? Lol, I don't think Bonds ran out a ground ball in his career with the giants. Please.
And look, you brought up Bomds not me. Saying they wouldn't re sign him even though he was producing. Now you are gonna defend him? Btw jeff kent was a huge douche himself.
My point being Hamilton didnt have the personality of bonds. Was he coddled? Uh if that's what you want to call it. I guess all former drug rehab patients are coddled. He just happens to be in the spot light. I think that it's hard enough being a former user just being a normal person. It's pathetic you hold that against him, and call it coddling.
And are you saying his Aug & Sept were bad? Or even average? You may want to look at the numbers again. Stop letting your emotions talk. shite you're not even a true ranger fan, yet somehow you're just as skewed as the others.
Bottom line he had one of the greatest offensive seasons in ranger history. But a bad few weeks, people lose their shite. He was everyone's favorite player during that stretch early in the season... Or when he was winning the MVP, or HR derby. Now he's just some coddled emotional wreck who happened to call the ranger fans out for what they are
And look, you brought up Bomds not me. Saying they wouldn't re sign him even though he was producing. Now you are gonna defend him? Btw jeff kent was a huge douche himself.
My point being Hamilton didnt have the personality of bonds. Was he coddled? Uh if that's what you want to call it. I guess all former drug rehab patients are coddled. He just happens to be in the spot light. I think that it's hard enough being a former user just being a normal person. It's pathetic you hold that against him, and call it coddling.
And are you saying his Aug & Sept were bad? Or even average? You may want to look at the numbers again. Stop letting your emotions talk. shite you're not even a true ranger fan, yet somehow you're just as skewed as the others.
Bottom line he had one of the greatest offensive seasons in ranger history. But a bad few weeks, people lose their shite. He was everyone's favorite player during that stretch early in the season... Or when he was winning the MVP, or HR derby. Now he's just some coddled emotional wreck who happened to call the ranger fans out for what they are
This post was edited on 2/19/13 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:24 am to Lester Earl
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But a bad few weeks, people lose their shite.
You bring up a few good points in your argument, however this is not one of them. He was terrible for three straight months and effectively quit on the team.
It was in the best interest of the Rangers to walk away given the contract size and the high risk of resigning him. That's the main point.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:25 am to Lester Earl
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Barry Bonds gets a pass, but Hamilton committed the mortal sin of not trying? Lol, I don't think Bonds ran out a ground ball in his career with the giants. Please.
OPS+'ing around 200 solves a lot of problems. And honestly, I think most of the Bonds issues were with the media and opposing fans. From a team standpoint, Bonds wasn't really high maintenance. Yes, I brought up Bonds. He was less trouble and a much better player and even the Giants got sick of it. So, when a guy who isn't as good is an even bigger pain in the rear... yeah, he gets shuffled off the roster. That's my point.
And Kent being a douche, again, supports my point. People pointed to the fact Bonds and Kent didn't get along as proof Bonds was a bad clubhouse guy.
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And are you saying his Aug & Sept were bad? Or even average?
I said his august was awesome. But his September was a 893 OPS, which I said was pretty good. But it's not $25 million a year good.
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Bottom line he had one of the greatest offensive seasons in ranger history.
In 2010. Should the Rangers higher Juan Gonzalez because he was awesome is the 90s? A team should never pay for past performance, only future performance. Going forward, that 2010 doesn't mean squat to his new deal. But isn't amazing that a guy who put up, as you say, one of the greatest seasons is Rangers history just two seasons ago but is allowed to walk to a division rival no less and the fans ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOVE? Geez, if that doesn't scream the guy was a pain in the arse, I don't know what does.
I'm ticked at the O's for not re-signing Mark Reynolds, and he's a terribly flawed player who frankly, isn't that great. But the Rangers fans have giving the organization a free pass on letting an MVP player walk. Why do you think that is? And why do you think they let him walk? His age? Please, they signed Adrian Beltre to a six year deal going into his Age 32 season.
No one is saying he's not a supremely talented player. He is. Yet the team let him walk for less than they were offering before 2012 began. and the fans aren't just okay with it, they vocally support the move. Of course it's personality driven. He's a massive pain in the arse, and honestly, his postseason comments have been a godsend for the Rangers.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:28 am to Baloo
And BTW, my favorite player on the Rangers is Elvis Andrus. Who I advocated trading for Justin Upton before he hits free agency.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:01 am to Lester Earl
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And are you saying his Aug & Sept were bad? Or even average? You may want to look at the numbers again.
Ok, let's do that
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You really are telling me he performed well in August and September?
194 AB
61 SO
21 BB
14 HR
One K every 3.1 ABs. Strong. Strong indeed.
I'm not saying he wasn't a great player. He was. His problem was that his head got in the way, and he wasn't worth the risk any longer. I wish him well with the Angels. But the secret to Josh is out. Pitch him high and out of the zone and he'll strike out more oftem than not.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:26 am to 9Fiddy
Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:33 am to SCUBABlake
Everything in that article is true, but Lester will say that guy's an idiot and is just a hater.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:39 am to SCUBABlake
Arlington PD should arrest him when he comes back to town for manslaughter. Ungrateful bastard.
Ranger fans are spoiled, really? Okay. Try to use some of your lame arse excuses up here in NYC and see how THAT goes. You got the best of both worlds in Texas, Josh. You were generally coddled, even when you were blaming your struggles on a poor relationship with God. Get over yourself, douche.
Ranger fans are spoiled, really? Okay. Try to use some of your lame arse excuses up here in NYC and see how THAT goes. You got the best of both worlds in Texas, Josh. You were generally coddled, even when you were blaming your struggles on a poor relationship with God. Get over yourself, douche.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:25 pm to WarhawkTiger6
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Maybe he finally knows the correct last name of the guy in my avi.
Unfortunately your avi (and everyone else's) is blocked out at work. It must be our future shortstop Probar.
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Oh I find his pessimism hilarious.
Would the Rangers have been in the playoffs last year if only one team would have made the wild card? No.
And the sad part is there's nothing the Rangers could really do about it. Josh's contract is ridiculous, we need to get an over/under going on the number of months before he has another relapse.
Point is, the Rangers are heading back to their traditional role at the bottom of the league (and they're not even good enough to be a power bottom).
Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:34 pm to Baloo
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the fans have almost universally backed the team over the player. Which this same town has NOT done over the Mavs and Tyson Chandler. Or the Stars and James Neal and Brad Richards (if there were Stars fans to be upset, but the few who do exist are still pissed about the Neal deal).
Agreed though Mavs fans may have been OK if Cuban had actually decided to sign Deron Williams instead of taping his stupid TV show.
And Gagliardi may be the smartest, sneakiest owner in the NHL. He wants to move the team closer to Vancouver but the NHL wasn't going to let it happen right off the bat, especially with Dallas having supported the Stars in the past.
So he gets Jagr to sign as a publicity stunt (to make the NHL believe he's trying to help the team succeed) while the rest of the team is a load of crap (to make them so bad that fans stop coming, giving him the opportunity to tell the NHL that he tried to make a go of it in Dallas but it just won't work, so he needs to move them).
Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:40 pm to barry
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For all Hamilton has been through he still has a monstrous ego and is a giant pain in the arse. He may be right about what he said, but there was no reason to say it.
Sure there was because he was asked the question and it was how he felt. That being said, I agree with his assessment and the fans in this thread only prove his point x1000000!
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:43 pm to hendersonshands
Hamilton is the spoiled one. I hope he relapses again.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:34 pm to BigBoyTiger
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. He was terrible for three straight months and effectively quit on the team.
what 3 months in a row was he "terrible"?
these are his splits, by month, from last year.
bad june & july, ok.
but had i told you in April that Josh Hamilton would hit 14 HRs a drive in 46 runs over the last 2 months, and would have an OPS+ that would put him in the top 10 in the league, Im pretty sure you and every other Ranger fan would take it. Even if he struck out every 3 ABs
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:42 pm to Lester Earl
Pussied out in September and October. He wasn't even that good down the stretch. Too many Red Bulls and the fricker gets a weird ailment.
It's a good divorce and one that was needed for both sides.
Good luck to him. Good luck to the Rangers. I am still high on the Rangers, unlike most people. I think they have a good pitching staff and will be there at the end.
It's a good divorce and one that was needed for both sides.
Good luck to him. Good luck to the Rangers. I am still high on the Rangers, unlike most people. I think they have a good pitching staff and will be there at the end.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:43 pm to Baloo
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He was less trouble and a much better player and even the Giants got sick of it.
he had also reached 40, and oft INJURED. It was time for him to retire anyway, his body broke down. It really had little do with his personality.
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In 2010. Should the Rangers higher Juan Gonzalez because he was awesome is the 90s? A team should never pay for past performance, only future performance.
you have to pay for past performance, & don't act like you dont.
his 2010 was great, his 2012 was great, his MVP year was great. im not gonna split hairs here.
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Why do you think that is? And why do you think they let him walk? His age? Please, they signed Adrian Beltre to a six year deal going into his Age 32 season.
100% they let him walk because of his age & past drug use. They thought his body may break down faster than others.
you still have not been able to pin point jack shite on his personality. Shoot, your bonds example just proves teams are willing to take the good with the bad.
As far as Beltre his contract is probably a big reason they didnt want to pony up the money for Hamilton. BTW, which they paid for because of his past performance. lol
you're way smarter than this. come on dude...his personality...
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:48 pm to 9Fiddy
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Everything in that article is true, but Lester will say that guy's an idiot and is just a hater.
well, he is a blogger for ESPNDallas....and my guess is probably Ranger fan himself.
My favorite is people assuming he "gave up", or was faking an injury.
oh yeah, this guy wouldn't be biased.....at all....
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A native of Dallas, Taylor spent the past 20 years writing for The Dallas Morning News, where he covered high schools sports, the Texas Rangers and spent 11 seasons covering the Dallas Cowboys before becoming a general columnist in 2006.
in reality, he is just one of you guys... You are spoiled....shite, Hamilton spoiled you himself. And you booed him based on baseless assumptions that he "gave up". ... think about that
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:48 pm to Lester Earl
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you still have not been able to pin point jack shite on his personality.
except for the fact that anyone who lives here in Dallas and listens to sports radio knows that they were being told for a large portion of the season the Rangers probably weren't going to keep him and his bullshite antics were a major part of why.
dunno why you can't comprehend that him being a stupid dick was the tipping point in what made him not worth the effort.
and you really need to get over yourself on this he didn't quit kick.
you clearly didn't watch the games.
the dude was blatantly half assing it and all you had to do was watch to be able to tell.
This post was edited on 2/19/13 at 4:50 pm
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