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re: Josh Hamilton agrees to terms with Angels 5 yrs/125 Mill
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:27 am to tduecen
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:27 am to tduecen
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Andy will end up back in Washington
He hasn't been in a hurry to do so, yet. And now the Rangers are in bigger need.
quote:
Sanchez will end up back in Det
I could see that happening.
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:28 am to DrVinnyBoombatz
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No. If JD gives up young players for a 38 year old pitcher, that would be the definition of a horrible overreaction.
Dickey's been about as good as anybody over the last three years and knuckleballers usually hit their "prime" in the late 30's/early 40's.
Dickey just isn't your usual case for anything, IMO.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:29 am to OBUDan
Ah I figured out why your in such a bad mood....
Eagles played tonight, kinda
Eagles played tonight, kinda
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:41 am to tduecen
Ha, I gave up on them (this season) long ago.
I didn't even watch (mostly because I had a work function).
Hamilton's numbers in Angel Stadium:
.260/.325/.440 with 5 home runs in 166 career PAs.
I didn't even watch (mostly because I had a work function).
Hamilton's numbers in Angel Stadium:
.260/.325/.440 with 5 home runs in 166 career PAs.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:46 am to OBUDan
See I'm not a fan of those stats....
Mainly because he went against Weaver, Wilson, Etc... The stadium might be a cause for lower numbers but the pitchers he faced are a larger cause....
Like last year, 28 AB 4 hits 3 walks 9 strike outs .143 avg
Year before 43 AB 13 hits 2 walks 6 strike outs .302 avg
Home/road splits are more telling and Hamilton has shown advantage to playing at home. Power numbers will suffer a bit but not extremely probably, maybe a few more doubles even.
Home: .325/.382/.632
Road: .302/.358/.534
(3 year average)
Mainly because he went against Weaver, Wilson, Etc... The stadium might be a cause for lower numbers but the pitchers he faced are a larger cause....
Like last year, 28 AB 4 hits 3 walks 9 strike outs .143 avg
Year before 43 AB 13 hits 2 walks 6 strike outs .302 avg
Home/road splits are more telling and Hamilton has shown advantage to playing at home. Power numbers will suffer a bit but not extremely probably, maybe a few more doubles even.
Home: .325/.382/.632
Road: .302/.358/.534
(3 year average)
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 2:49 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 3:48 am to geauxlsu07
Chiming in from Thailand. Solid move, but likely overpaid and went with an extra year to secure the deal. At the end of the day if they can go to and win 2 World Series Championships in the next 5 years then his deal (allong with APs deal) should be viewed as succesfull.
Angels' lineup in my opinion should be
CF Trout
2B Kendrick
1B Pujols
RF Hamilton
LF Trumbo
3B Callaspo
DH Morales
C Iannetta
SS Aybar
Really nice combo at the top of the lineup and Kendrick is solid with the bat in his hands (sacrifice, hit to the right side of the infield etc). I could see swapping Callaspo and Kendrick, but I like Howie in the #2 slot. You could also give Trumbo a full off season to adjust to 3B and play Bourjos in CF with Trout in LF.
Pitching is a bit problematic, but I think the following rotation wins you some games.
Weaver
Wilson
Hanson
Blanton
Richards
IF you can get Dickey, then great, if not just go with the those 5. Also, you still have Jerome Williams as a spot starter/long reliever.
I think Madsen is the closer and then you have Burnett, Frieri, Jepsen, and Downs gives you some flexibility.
Overall the Angels are poised to make a run and I like the agressiveness.
Angels' lineup in my opinion should be
CF Trout
2B Kendrick
1B Pujols
RF Hamilton
LF Trumbo
3B Callaspo
DH Morales
C Iannetta
SS Aybar
Really nice combo at the top of the lineup and Kendrick is solid with the bat in his hands (sacrifice, hit to the right side of the infield etc). I could see swapping Callaspo and Kendrick, but I like Howie in the #2 slot. You could also give Trumbo a full off season to adjust to 3B and play Bourjos in CF with Trout in LF.
Pitching is a bit problematic, but I think the following rotation wins you some games.
Weaver
Wilson
Hanson
Blanton
Richards
IF you can get Dickey, then great, if not just go with the those 5. Also, you still have Jerome Williams as a spot starter/long reliever.
I think Madsen is the closer and then you have Burnett, Frieri, Jepsen, and Downs gives you some flexibility.
Overall the Angels are poised to make a run and I like the agressiveness.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:40 am to tduecen
Actually the broke it out on MLB Network tonight and said he's mashed on bad pitching and struggled vs good pitching.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:14 am to geauxlsu07
Wow.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:18 am to geauxlsu07
quote:Oh yeah? Cubs signed Nate Schierholtz for 1 yr/$2.25M. CHAMMENCHIPS
Josh Hamilton agrees to terms with Angels 5 yrs/125 Mill
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:31 am to tduecen
Anaheim is a pitcher's park regardless of who is pitching. It depresses their own hitters' numbers as well, who don't go up against the Angels' staff which, wasn't as great as advertised last year anyway.
Hamilton is a boom or bust hitter. He strikes out a ton, and I can see him getting real frustrated in Anaheim. I think the Rangers have totally screwed the pooch this offseason, but I also think the Angles are going to regret this signing. The big winner of this deal is the A's.
Hamilton is a boom or bust hitter. He strikes out a ton, and I can see him getting real frustrated in Anaheim. I think the Rangers have totally screwed the pooch this offseason, but I also think the Angles are going to regret this signing. The big winner of this deal is the A's.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:45 am to The Sad Banana
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Texas Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said he was disappointed that his club didn’t at least get a chance to “have a conversation” before Hamilton accepted any deal … “there was a relationship over time. I thought we understood that we had a chance to at least have a conversation.”
Thing about that relationship over time: it afforded you months, if not years, prior to the end of the 2012 baseball season to offer a contract extension to Hamilton without him being able to talk to anyone else. And nothing at all prevented you from talking to Hamilton since the end of the season until yesterday. Yet you never had any sense of urgency about that. Here’s Daniels two weeks ago:
“I think the way that we have chosen to proceed here is that we’re not necessarily driving the timetable. There may come a time when we need to change that, but so far it’s been fine.”
And during the Winter Meetings, when Hamilton was reported to have had serious conversations with the Mariners, Daniels did not meet with Hamilton — who actually went to Nashville personally — or his agents:
The Rangers are also ready to make an offer to Hamilton although Daniels has not yet met with agent Mike Moye since arriving in Nashville on Sunday. Daniels said he’s not sure if he will meet with Moye before the meetings end on Thursday.
“We may, but we don’t have anything set in stone,” Daniels said.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:48 am to Baloo
Well yeah I am aware it is a pitchers park, one of better ones in fact and I stated his numbers may dip. Look at Albert his power numbers and avg took a dip but he managed 50 doubles for first time since 03 I believe.
Hamilton will be fine in deal and it is only a 5 year deal for a 31 year old player, normally this type of deal we would be saying team got off lucky because of the length, however, because it is Hamilton no one is sure how he will age.
Hamilton will be fine in deal and it is only a 5 year deal for a 31 year old player, normally this type of deal we would be saying team got off lucky because of the length, however, because it is Hamilton no one is sure how he will age.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:53 am to WinnPtiger
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so you truly believe that's comparable?
My rat just died, and I cared about it a shitload more than some random dude falling over a fence. I never met said dude, and for all I know he could have gone on to become an evil overlord.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:21 am to tduecen
There was an article on twitter this morning saying that only one of the HRs Hamilton hit last year wouldn't have gotten out of Anaheim. So that settle that.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:24 am to Lester Earl
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What will the home-run impact be for Josh Hamilton in playing regularly in Angel Stadium?
You might guess that his home run total would drop, given that Hamilton would have played half his season in a ballpark far less friendly than Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.
Rangers Ballpark had a home run Park Factor that ranked seventh-highest in terms of hitter-friendliness for homers. Angel Stadium rated fifth-most pitcher-friendly. (for an explanation of Park Factor, click here)
But the numbers via a video-analysis study on Hamilton’s home runs and deep fly balls that we did with Home Run Tracker founder Greg Rybarczyk show that Hamilton is strong enough to avoid the ballpark change being an issue.
A look at all of Hamilton’s homers showed that only one of them would not have gone out of Angel Stadium.
As a left-handed hitter, Hamilton naturally hits most of his home runs to right and right center field, but he has great power to center field as well.
Hamilton hit 12 home runs to center last season, tied with Ryan Braun for the most in the majors. Angel Stadium plays well for home runs to center. There were 31 at the ballpark last season to center field last season, second-most in the American League.
The Angels now have two of the top three players in terms of average home run distance from last season.
Most HR per 100 AB in 2012
Giancarlo Stanton 8.2
Jose Bautista 8.1
Edwin Encarnacion 7.7
Josh Hamilton 7.7
> Minimum 300 at-bats
In 2012, Hamilton’s home runs averaged of 415.7 feet, second to former teammate Nelson Cruz (among those with at least 10 home runs). New teammate Mark Trumbo was third, at 414.7 feet per home run.
Hamilton could also be helped by the difference from right-center to center in the two ballparks.
Angel Stadium’s fence distances from straightaway right center field to straightaway center field are an average of 15 feet shorter than Rangers Ballpark in Arlington (noted in the highlighted section of the ballpark overlay below).
The diagram below shows the biggest difference in fence distance between the outfield fences in Angel Stadium and Rangers Ballpark in Arlington (Rangers Ballpark is outlined in red). The two black points in right center (along with the yellow shading) mark the spot where the difference is greatest (just over 29 feet at its maximum) between the two.
Hamilton doesn’t necessarily gain much from that, because the Angels Stadium fence is twice as high as Rangers Ballpark (16 feet compared to eight) there.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:28 am to GynoSandberg
RF and Center isn't that different between angels stadium and the ball park at Arlington. Not to mention Hamilton isn't exactly barely clearing fences with his homerun.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:30 am to GynoSandberg
That's the article I'm talking about. Said only 1 HR he would have missed out on
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:17 am to barry
Dave Cameron was on MLB NEtwork talking about it some.
I wish I could find video of him talking about it, but it was interesting. I think he alluded to different aspects of the park being troubling for Hamilton, not just the distance of the fences.
I wish I could find video of him talking about it, but it was interesting. I think he alluded to different aspects of the park being troubling for Hamilton, not just the distance of the fences.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:18 am to OBUDan
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. I think he alluded to different aspects of the park being troubling for Hamilton, not just the distance of the fences.
I know the warm air helps the ball travel but its not like LA doesn't get hot. Maybe there is some winds blowing in because its by the coast?
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:22 am to OBUDan
Thats what I'm thinking.
I don't think it's as comparable if all his homers would have cleared their park or not.. to the fact that:
at texas = homer every 15 ABs
at angels = homer ever 30 ABs (this is his most played in park outside of texas last season)
Didn't Pujols himself take forever to start hitting homers there as well?
I don't think it's as comparable if all his homers would have cleared their park or not.. to the fact that:
at texas = homer every 15 ABs
at angels = homer ever 30 ABs (this is his most played in park outside of texas last season)
Didn't Pujols himself take forever to start hitting homers there as well?
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