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re: Jim Caldwell Just Kicked a FG down 7 with sub-3 minutes Left
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:37 am to danfraz
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:37 am to danfraz
quote:
Football fans who turn the game into brain surgery are the dumbest of all fans in general.
why? i don't get this line of thought
football may be the greatest combination of fast/slow thinking in the American culture
this discussion is actually an example of both
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:42 am to goldenbadger08
It's not like it was a split second decision or some kind of unprecented situation.
It was a bad call that happened to work out, mostly because the Bears are terrible. It doesn't take statistics or analytics to realize it was the wrong move.
It was a bad call that happened to work out, mostly because the Bears are terrible. It doesn't take statistics or analytics to realize it was the wrong move.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:42 am to Salmon
quote:
haven't there been studies that say you should never punt and always go for 2?
Yes. But guess what kind of studies will come out after teams start doing that?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:44 am to danfraz
quote:Give me less information, that's the ticket!!!!
Cause I prefer my ball without spreadsheets and fricking analytical data?
Why on earth would anyone want less information to make decisions of this magnitude?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:50 am to GreatLakesTiger24
It just makes no sense how coaches still haven't figured out how horribly inefficient FGs are.
You should NEVER kick a FG regardless of down and distance unless its
A) to tie
B) take the lead
C) extend the lead to >8 or >16 points
D) cut the deficit to <9 or <17 points
E) its right before the half
You should NEVER kick a FG regardless of down and distance unless its
A) to tie
B) take the lead
C) extend the lead to >8 or >16 points
D) cut the deficit to <9 or <17 points
E) its right before the half
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:52 am to dbeck
quote:The FG accomplishes NOTHING. You still have to score a touchdown.
Horse shite.
4th and 1 with 0 timeouts is a hell of a lot different than 4th and 10 with 3 timeouts.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:53 am to shel311
when i played poker i called the 2 main groups cowboys and gamblers
gamblers want lower odds so there is more drama and stimulus. these were the players who played every hand like it was blackjack
cowboys wanted to do something manly/aggressive based in statistical ignorance so they should show their esoteric brilliance. these guys and gals were obsessed with the word "bluff" (both engaging in it and thinking their opponent was engaging in it). i call em cowboys b/c they "shoot from the hip"
gamblers want lower odds so there is more drama and stimulus. these were the players who played every hand like it was blackjack
cowboys wanted to do something manly/aggressive based in statistical ignorance so they should show their esoteric brilliance. these guys and gals were obsessed with the word "bluff" (both engaging in it and thinking their opponent was engaging in it). i call em cowboys b/c they "shoot from the hip"
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:54 am to Salmon
quote:Short punts are actually very efficient you just need a punter that can execute
so is this your new thing? you're going to go after every coach every time they punt inside the opponents 50?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:54 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
The FG accomplishes NOTHING.
well it does
if you go for it and not get it, if/when you get the ball back, you are only playing for a tie, rather than if you kick the FG and get the ball back, you are going for the win
so it does accomplish something
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:55 am to shel311
quote:
Why on earth would anyone want less information to make decisions of this magnitude?
Life is decisions of magnitude. Sports is entertainment. Sorry you need it to be more than that man but I don't.
I don't need to analyze every little thing. It's not LIFE. It's a distraction, it's entertainment, it's a release.
I don't get those who need INFORMATION to enjoy a football game. Difference in a life view more than anything it seems
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:56 am to danfraz
quote:
I don't get those who need INFORMATION to enjoy a football game. Difference in a life view more than anything it seems
I mean...in this case I'm pretty sure they are talking about the coaches wanting more information
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:59 am to danfraz
quote:
I don't need to analyze every little thing. It's not LIFE. It's a distraction, it's entertainment, it's a release.
I don't get those who need INFORMATION to enjoy a football game.
if football didn't have that secondary level of thinking, it would be boring as frick to me
hell football got boring as frick to me for a few years and this is my first year "back"
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:00 am to danfraz
quote:I legit don't even know if this is a serious post.
Life is decisions of magnitude. Sports is entertainment. Sorry you need it to be more than that man but I don't.
I don't need to analyze every little thing. It's not LIFE. It's a distraction, it's entertainment, it's a release.
I don't get those who need INFORMATION to enjoy a football game. Difference in a life view more than anything it seems
Seems like it is, but I have a tough time believing people would think this way, wanting coaches to be uninformed about decisions that can affect their job and the success in a billion dollar industry .... or as you insinuate, very unimportant stuff.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:01 am to Salmon
quote:
well it does
if you go for it and not get it, if/when you get the ball back, you are only playing for a tie, rather than if you kick the FG and get the ball back, you are going for the win
so it does accomplish something
And after all that you're still in the same exact position of needing a touchdown.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:05 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
And after all that you're still in the same exact position of needing a touchdown.
right...
but one is to win and the other is to tie
so it does accomplish SOMETHING
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:08 am to Salmon
yes it can theoretically put you in that position, but you're investing a lot of very precious resources (namely time and timeouts) to put yourself back into a position of having to score the TD...being much further away from the goal (the goaline)
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
oh I agree with you in this thread
not so much in the LSU thread though
not so much in the LSU thread though
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:10 am to Salmon
you're much more insulated from sub-optimal choices when you're ahead
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:23 am to danfraz
quote:
Life is decisions of magnitude. Sports is entertainment. Sorry you need it to be more than that man but I don't.
I don't need to analyze every little thing. It's not LIFE. It's a distraction, it's entertainment, it's a release.
I don't get those who need INFORMATION to enjoy a football game. Difference in a life view more than anything it seems
the coach needs information and it is "life" to him. He gets paid to do it.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:23 am to Salmon
Theoretically you can take the lead with a td and 2PC
A FG accomplishes nothing in terms of what you need to win the game
A FG accomplishes nothing in terms of what you need to win the game
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