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re: Jeter faking being hit by pitch
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:43 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:43 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:if the receiver knows he drops it and pretends otherwise in an effort to make the ref think he caught, then it is indeed cheating.
Is it cheating if a wide receiver traps the ball against the ground and then "pretends" that he caught it? is he supposed to make the refs believe that he made the catch? Or get up and say, "oops my bad. that one hit the ground."
You can say it is just part of the game, but it is what it is: cheating. There is no way to justify cheating...
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Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:53 pm to Chicken
quote:
You can say it is just part of the game, but it is what it is: cheating. There is no way to justify cheating...
then every professional baseball, basketball and football player cheats on every play. lineman hold, dbs hold, basketball defenders handcheck, the list can go on and on.
its like the old saying says, "if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin"
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:58 pm to rutiger
quote:no...cheating is practicing fraud or deceit. Jeter's action fully and perfectly fit into that definition.
then every professional baseball, basketball and football player cheats on every play. lineman hold, dbs hold, basketball defenders handcheck, the list can go on and on.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:04 pm to Chicken
quote:
no...cheating is practicing fraud or deceit. Jeter's action fully and perfectly fit into that definition
why wouldnt holding be deceit? its illegal to hold, lineman hold on every play and hope the ref doesnt see it, isnt that deceit?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:05 pm to Chicken
chicken, is this you?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:21 pm to rutiger
quote:dude, go familiarize yourself with the definitions of cheating, deceit, illegal...
why wouldnt holding be deceit? its illegal to hold, lineman hold on every play and hope the ref doesnt see it, isnt that deceit?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:23 pm to LSU Fan 90812
not at all...just calling it as I see it. I can't help it if you guys don't know the meaning of words.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:25 pm to rutiger
Holding, more times than not, is a judgement call. Lineman sometimes don't mean to or even know they are holding and rarely would they hold on purpose as it hurts the team in the form of a penalty. Jeter's action were purely intentional, and worse, the way he went about it was to act like a complete bitch. That somehow still is not registering with you guys. Trying to get the call is one thing, acting like a jackass is another.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:25 pm to Chicken
i fully expect you to turn yourself in if I you catch yourself speeding.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:27 pm to AUTigLN11
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Also Promine, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you one of the ones who rip soccer because of the diving?
No. I hate soccer altogether. I've never said anything about diving. Never been in that conversation. I think I have one post on the Soccer board and that was during the World Cup.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:28 pm to Chicken
quote:
no...cheating is practicing fraud or deceit. Jeter's action fully and perfectly fit into that definition.
So, you wouldn't have done it?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:28 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
i fully expect you to turn yourself in if I you catch yourself speeding.
speeding in a car is cheating?
illegal? Yes...but cheating? really?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:28 pm to AUTigLN11
quote:
Lineman sometimes don't mean to or even know they are holding and rarely would they hold on purpose as it hurts the team in the form of a penalty
im now done in this arguement.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:30 pm to Prominentwon
quote:hell no...I am not a dishonest person, and especially when I play sports. Who wants to cheat to win? what a bunch of crap. Call me a champion of sports fairness...
So, you wouldn't have done it?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:38 pm to rutiger
quote:
im now done in this arguement.
You were done before you ever started.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:45 pm to Chicken
quote:
hell no...I am not a dishonest person, and especially when I play sports. Who wants to cheat to win? what a bunch of crap. Call me a champion of sports fairness...
EVERYBODY tries to take shortcuts to win at some point in their life, Chicken. EVERYONE.
Like Jeter said....what do you want me to do? Tell the umpire, who fell for the acting, that he won't take first base?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:50 pm to AUTigLN11
quote:
You were done before you ever started.
says the guy who thinks lineman dont hold on purpose
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:53 pm to Chicken
quote:Joe Posnanski had a great column on this (of course). He said the real shame is not that Jeter "cheated" or whatever, but that his game has slipped so much he needs to resort to faking he got hit to get on base. He essentially said this was the move of a desparate vet at the end of his career, facing his deteriorating skills. The Jeter of old wouldn't have done this, not because he was more ethical, but because he was a much better hitter.
Who wants to cheat to win? what a bunch of crap.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:54 pm to Baloo
quote:
The Jeter of old wouldn't have done this, not because he was more ethical, but because he was a much better hitter.
bull shite.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:58 pm to Prominentwon
quote:not sure...don't care. The point is that he cheated.
Like Jeter said....what do you want me to do? Tell the umpire, who fell for the acting, that he won't take first base?
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