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re: Is Trout the next Babe Ruth?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:27 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:27 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
What’s the word I used before always? What does it mean?
Well when one guy has 6 and another 7, and they both played in the same era and the same era as the player being discussed, I don't think you can say "almost always" and it be an accurate statement. In baseball now, sure. But 20+ years ago, not as much. Other outfield SS winners in that era include Lenny Dykstra, Larry Walker (Expos), Tim Raines, Andy Van Slyke, Willie McGee, Jose Cruz, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, etc. None of those guys were power hitting and/or high volume rbi guys (Walker ended up being one but not with the Expos)
But this all goes back to my argument essentially being Ricky Henderson was not a well-rounded enough player to be a top 8 player, overall, the past 80 years. I just don't see how you can argue he is when the argument always goes back to how good he was running the bases, which I have never argued he wasn't. He was not an elite hitter, which is a pretty damn important part of being in the top 8 of all baseball players.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 8:42 pm
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:28 pm to tigerbait1.6
quote:
he deserves to be on a team that actually competes.
This
He’ll end on the Yankees soon
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:33 pm to JetsetNuggs
quote:Still not the babe.
It’s very possible he gets to 5 or 6 MVPs, 10+ silver sluggers, 500 homers, 2000 +hits, 1000+ rbi, and 300+ stolen bases.
ETA: he doesn’t have a gold glove yet, but he’s up there every year so he’ll likely have a couple.
I’d say that’s all time great
Using your numbers......
He'd still have to raise his lifetime batting average 37 points to .342, hit another 200+ Homers, ~900 more hits, and 1200 more rbi's.
Oh and be a starting pitcher for roughly 4 years, win nearly 100 games, have an era under 2.25, and win 3 WS games as a starter with a 0.87 era.
Although, in your hypothetical, trout would have double the steals.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:41 pm to lsufball19
quote:
He was not an elite hitter,
If not, he was close. And when you combine that with his baserunning, he was definitely an elite offensive player. He was a better hitter than Puckett regardless of SS awards.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:41 pm to HawkeyeHankHatfield
Ruth didn’t takes PEDs
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:42 pm to The Seaward
quote:
He was a better hitter than Puckett regardless of SS awards.
don't disagree with that. Puckett was only mentioned as a guy who wasn't a power hitter who won 6 silver sluggers
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:30 am to lsufball19
quote:
Most people wouldn't agree with a couple of those names. Miek Schmidt. great player, but top 8 post-integration, ehhhhhhh probably not. Same with Ricky Henderson, I don't think many people at all would have him on there. Other than stealing bases, what did Henderson do that was spectacular compared to his peers?
Rickey Henderson is one of the greatest outfielders of all time he just made it look easy so he didnt get any GGs. Also one of the most disciplined hitters ever.
And do your research on Mike Schmidt. After Cal Ripken and Pudge Rodriguez probable the best infield arm ever. Led the NL in HRs like 8x.
You can argue it should be a top 10 with Hank Aaron, and Yogi Berra but Schmidt and Henderson are without a doubt in there
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:33 am to VerlanderBEAST
seems like someone was making some uninformed posts itt
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:04 am to WestCoastAg
I will keep going to 25
POST 1947
Tier 1
Bonds
Tier 2
Mantle
Mays
A-Rod
Rickey
Schmidt
Williams
Pujols
Tier 3
Aaron
Berra
Tier 4
Morgan
Musial
F.Robinson
Ripken
Yaz
Tier5
Campanella
Bench
Thomas
Banks
Carter
Brett
Rose
Boggs
P.Rodriguez
POST 1947
Tier 1
Bonds
Tier 2
Mantle
Mays
A-Rod
Rickey
Schmidt
Williams
Pujols
Tier 3
Aaron
Berra
Tier 4
Morgan
Musial
F.Robinson
Ripken
Yaz
Tier5
Campanella
Bench
Thomas
Banks
Carter
Brett
Rose
Boggs
P.Rodriguez
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 1:11 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:21 am to HawkeyeHankHatfield
quote:
Is Trout the next Babe Ruth?
Was the Babe on HGH?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:40 am to HawkeyeHankHatfield
come on man.
58 60 58
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:58 am to VerlanderBEAST
You’ve got Berra too high, Musial and Robinson each a tier too low hell Musial is probably two tiers too low, Rose too low as well. Where the hell is Griffey? Piazza? Manny?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:05 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
You’ve got Berra too high, Musial and Robinson each a tier too low hell Musial is probably two tiers too low, Rose too low as well. Where the hell is Griffey? Piazza? Manny?
I'm actually very jittery in my bones. Feeling all kinda something that you watch baseball.
This is gonna be a great relationship. I swear you're my HYB that we work with.
Are you?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:23 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
You’ve got Berra too high, Musial and Robinson each a tier too low hell Musial is probably two tiers too low, Rose too low as well. Where the hell is Griffey? Piazza? Manny?
Musial could be in tier3 but its post 1947 most of his very best seasons are 43-46.
F.Robinson is in the correct tier.
Berra is definitely in the correct tier with Aaron.
Griffey and Manny would be in tier 6. Piazza maybe tier 7
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:38 am to VerlanderBEAST
Lol sure
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:06 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:So have you provided any evidence whatsoever that Trout has more empty stats than the guys we're comparing him to?
They only measure that the player record the statistic, not how/when/why. There’s a big difference in a player getting a walk and then a steal in the 9th inning of a game when his team is down 1-0 with no outs compared to the same stat record in the 9th inning of a 8-2 game. There’s no differentiation in the formulas for that.
When/how you put up your production is more important than what your box score looks like.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:18 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:Henderson had seasons where he didn't win a SS with a higher OPS than Gwynn did in seasons where he did win SS, so...
Dudes who are known for walking and stealing bases don’t win SSs
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:45 am to shel311
Last year in what Fangraphs deems high leverage situations, Trout hit .308/.481/.718. 206 wRC+
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:54 am to lsufball19
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Ah so instead of attacking the argument, you chose to attack the person making the argument with irrelevant bull shite.
fits in on the Poliboard
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