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re: Is Trout the next Babe Ruth?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:should be the MSBs crest
Why do people feel the need to make shite up like no one is going to call then out
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:56 pm to Speedy G
quote:
Trout: .305/.419/.581 (1.000), 176 OPS+, 200/236 SBs, 72.5 WAR
A-Rod: .308/.382/.581 (.963), 144 OPS+, 177/223 SBs, 63.6 WAR
Bonds: .275/.380/.503 (.883), 147 OPS+, 251/323 SBs, 50.3 WAR
Cobb: .368/.423/.515 (.938), 182 OPS+, 488/unk SB, 69.0 WAR
Mantle: .311/.425/.569 (.994), 173 OPS+, 98/123 SB, 68.1 WAR
Ruth: .337/.462/.696 (1.157), 213 OPS+, 46/unk SB, 50.3 WAR(b) + 20.1 WAR(p) = 70.4 total WAR
Yes none of them were in their prime at 20 like Trout. But they were all in their prime by 27
Most people would agree the top 8 post integration are IN NO ORDER are:
A-Rod
Schmidt
Mantle
Mays
Pujols
Williams
Henderson
Bonds
And obviously Bonds is the only 1 who got waaaaaay better after 27 which is why he's the GOAT
If you want to argue Trout's average prime season falls in line with theirs ok make that argument but it certainly doesnt exceed theirs
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:09 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
A-Rod
Schmidt
Mantle
Mays
Pujols
Williams
Henderson
Bonds
Most people wouldn't agree with a couple of those names. Miek Schmidt. great player, but top 8 post-integration, ehhhhhhh probably not. Same with Ricky Henderson, I don't think many people at all would have him on there. Other than stealing bases, what did Henderson do that was spectacular compared to his peers? I also wouldn't personally put Pujols there but can see why some would.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:39 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Yes none of them were in their prime at 20 like Trout. But they were all in their prime by 27
If you want to argue Trout's average prime season falls in line with theirs ok make that argument but it certainly doesnt exceed theirs
They all reached their prime well before 27, except Bonds, who played three years of college ball, and (arguably) Ruth, who was a pitcher until his mid 20s. A-Rod's OPS+ at 20 was 161. Mantle's 162. Cobb's 167. Trout's 168.
To be honest, I don't know what you are trying to say, except that we may not even have seen Mike Trout's best years yet.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:48 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:OPS+ and WAR says otherwise, no?
If you want to argue Trout's average prime season falls in line with theirs ok make that argument but it certainly doesnt exceed theirs
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:trouts WAR7 exceeds a good number of that group
If you want to argue Trout's average prime season falls in line with theirs ok make that argument but it certainly doesnt exceed theirs
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:57 pm to WestCoastAg
Should also be stressed that those WAR7s are propped up by having more seasons to chose from, and I would love to see how trouts per game WAR matches up to the few ahead of him considering how he has bad multiple seasons cut short by injury affecting his WAR totals
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:29 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Batters are going for the 3 true outcomes in their at bats at the highest rate all time in the game and he is the poster child for that,
That’s not true at all. Dude hits for average as well. Career .300 hitter. He does strike out but he’s not just homers , walks and strikeouts.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:05 pm to SammyTiger
Yeah, I’d say Joey Gallo is clearly the three true outcome poster boy.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:56 pm to The Seaward
Gallo is the ultimate 2 possible outcomes guy
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:01 pm to Paul Allen
quote:
Remember around 2009 when Albert Pujols was the best player on the planet and people said he was going to be the greatest of all time? I remember that.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:01 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Too many stat nerd Mike Greenberg types in baseball journalism these days.
There are stat nerds, then there are guys who recite buzz words like “3 outcome player” yet don’t know what they mean (you) lol
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:35 pm to lsufball19
quote:
Same with Ricky Henderson, I don't think many people at all would have him on there. Other than stealing bases, what did Henderson do that was spectacular compared to his peers?
He’s 14th all time in bWAR by position players.
And like 3rd of 4th In the last 50 years In WAR
Leads MLB history in 3 major categories: Runs, SB, BB. Henderson severely impacted the game like few other players have.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:39 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Leads MLB history in 3 major categories: Runs, SB, BB. Henderson severely impacted the game like few other players have.
That’s all well and good but he’s still not a top 8 player the past 80 years. He played 25 seasons, so his volume stats aren’t really going to be as persuasive as you’d like them to be. He also doesn’t lead in walks. He’s about 400 behind with Bonds having played 3 more seasons. And none of this really refuted what I said about him. Great player? Yes. Hall of fame player? Yes. Top 8 the past 80 years? No
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:55 pm to lsufball19
quote:
He played 25 seasons
and has a career OBP of .400
That is insane
And yea i forgot about Bonds. RIckey retired in the lead i think.
He's not really a compiler. Go pull up his b-ref page and look at how many times he led the league in a category or finished in the top 3-5.
He led the league in SB and BBs at 39.
he had an .889 OPS at age 40 lol.
He played at a high level for a long time. If he isnt a top 8, he's right there in the top 12 or so.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
If he isnt a top 8, he's right there in the top 12 or so.
At his position sure
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:00 pm to lsufball19
Yea, You should definitely do some googling. Clueless
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:01 pm to Lester Earl
still hoping for bron and ad injuries dude lol
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:03 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah, no I don’t really need to. His on base % is 53rd all time. I said he was the best base runner, which is reflected in his runs and stolen bases. Look dude, me saying he’s not a top 8 player (he isn’t) doesn’t mean I’m saying he wasn’t elite. But maybe step out of your little bubble and let something other than a computer tell you who’s good and who’s not. Just a thought. But we all know you don’t think you’ve ever been wrong about anything so I probably shouldn’t waste my time with you
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:10 pm to lsufball19
I dont need my computer to tell me what he was
but im not going to sit here and just say "he is or isnt something" and leave it at that without any facts to support my claim like you are doing right now.
but im not going to sit here and just say "he is or isnt something" and leave it at that without any facts to support my claim like you are doing right now.
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