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re: Is there any doubt Ohtani is the greatest player of all time?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:50 pm to West Palm Tiger561
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:50 pm to West Palm Tiger561
Ohtani is a great player there is no doubt, even dominating both pitching and hitting 2021-2023. If he was solely a pitcher we would say he is talented but injury prone, Tyler Glasgow comes to mind as Ohtani has made 23,28,23 starts and pitched over 135 innings once. So while he gives ace like performance you are not getting a season from him.
As a hitter he is a great power bat but one of many, not the absolute best as Judge, Acuna, Betts have been better/had better seasons. What makes Ohtani special is for three seasons he did both. If he comes back and becomes a middling person tcher while still hitting then he will lose some luster since what makes him special is that he can dominate on both sides of the plate.
As a hitter he is a great power bat but one of many, not the absolute best as Judge, Acuna, Betts have been better/had better seasons. What makes Ohtani special is for three seasons he did both. If he comes back and becomes a middling person tcher while still hitting then he will lose some luster since what makes him special is that he can dominate on both sides of the plate.
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Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:11 pm to West Palm Tiger561
I'll reserve judgement until his career is over to see what the numbers will look like then.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:39 pm to West Palm Tiger561
If Ken Griffey Jr. had been able to stay healthy, I think that he would be the GOAT
Still the sweetest/most pure swing I have ever seen and obviously an elite, truly 5-tool player
Still the sweetest/most pure swing I have ever seen and obviously an elite, truly 5-tool player
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:42 pm to West Palm Tiger561
He’s incredible
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:17 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Bonds is better than Ruth.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:51 pm to West Palm Tiger561
Hi Shohei
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:55 pm to TheBadgerOfHoney
I agree with this……
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:39 pm to Obtuse1
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I would have to give that to Ty but regarding the OP cross generational, especially with nearly 100 years in between, comparisons are basically useless and more emotion than objectivism. You can see this easily by looking at how many individual records are dominated by players from 80-130 years ago
Baseball is especially bad cross-generational. Football at least has the objectively massive line size differential, such that there's no real reason to suggest the 2023 Carolina Panthers couldn't knock the snot out of the 1923 Green Bay Packers. Baseball wise you have to answer if hitting a 78MPH scuffed up spitball is easier/harder than hitting a string of 95MPH lefty relievers.
Best (relative to their generation) will always be Ruth. He lapped the field in a way that no other major leaguer can come close to.
Ohtani is a great player, but his strongest attribute is he's taking up 2 roster spots being one guy when he's healthy enough to pitch, so now someone who would otherwise be a AAA starter is now sitting at the back of the bench in MLB. But this season he is a comically expensive DH.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:36 am to dukke v
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Still go with Ruth.
ruth couldn't steal bases if he tried
ohtani runs circles around ruth
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:46 am to TheBadgerOfHoney
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If Ken Griffey Jr. had been able to stay healthy, I think that he would be the GOAT
Can't disagree.
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Still the sweetest/most pure swing I have ever seen
It was gorgeous!
Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:36 am to West Palm Tiger561
If you combine Barry Bonds with Tom Glavine you have Babe Ruth. Ohtani isn't that good
Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:37 am to monsterballads
Ruth didn’t need to steal bases… fact.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:35 am to dukke v
Babe Ruth's fat arse would strikeout every at bat with todays pitchers. Hell Ohtani himself on the mound would lock down Ruth at the plate.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:02 am to BeachDude022
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Once he eclipses Ruth’s HR record, then I’ll say yes
Why would it take him to eclipse his homerun record to make the claim? He is already a better pitcher than Ruth. I'm not saying Ohtani is the GOAT but if Ohtani keeps up his pitching career close to what it has been so far, he won't need to top Ruth's homerun record.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:15 am to Cosmo
The Splendid Splinter, Stan The Man, The Machine….
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:25 am to WestCoastAg
Until proven otherwise, Pujols is the GOAT of the 21st century:
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:30 am to WigSplitta22
Ruth didn't even play against non-whites.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:31 am to monsterballads
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ruth couldn't steal bases if he tried
And that’s how he gave the Cardinals their first WS title. If he were a tad bit faster he’s safe at second and who knows how that inning would’ve turned out.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:40 am to Schleynole
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If you combine Barry Bonds with Tom Glavine you have Babe Ruth
What? Babe Ruth was a legit starting pitcher for 3-4 years. Tom Glavine had a 20 year career as a starting pitcher with more than 3x the wins.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:52 am to Schleynole
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If you combine Barry Bonds with Tom Glavine you have Babe Ruth
quote:hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahha
Ohtani isn't that good
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