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re: Is Shaq or Duncan a top-5 all time NBA player?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:16 am to LSUZombie
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:16 am to LSUZombie
No. Top 10 for sure though. Shaq isn't the best center either. Wilt dominated more than any other player. Kareem dominated and had a long career.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 10:17 am
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:17 am to Boomshockalocka
I am not sure that Shaq is a top 5 all time player
I think you can even make a somewhat legit argument that he wasnt top 5 Center of all time. You can not play guys from different eras against each other...
But a list that includes in any order Wilt, Kareem, Olajuwon, Mikan, and Russell is hard to argue against.
I think you can even make a somewhat legit argument that he wasnt top 5 Center of all time. You can not play guys from different eras against each other...
But a list that includes in any order Wilt, Kareem, Olajuwon, Mikan, and Russell is hard to argue against.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:18 am to ZTiger87
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Wilt dominated more than any other player. Kareem dominated and had a long career.
Imagine Shaq in either era.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:19 am to sms151t
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I think you can even make a somewhat legit argument that he wasnt top 5 Center of all time.
What are you basing this on? If you are talking about career, then yeah but in terms of who the better basketball player was in their prime, Shaq is the best of the group.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:19 am to ZTiger87
Think about the era. The NBA today isn't even recognizable by comparison.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:20 am to Lester Earl
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Imagine Shaq in either era.
For some reason it's hard for people to do this, but does anyone here actually believe Bill Russell could guard Shaq?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:20 am to LSUZombie
I laugh at the people who don't rank Shaq in the top 5. He's probably the most dominating player of all time. I'd put his peak right below Jordans.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:21 am to Lester Earl
But you cant as Shaq would have not been same player as things evolved. I think people take a person insert him in thinking it would be the same, when it wouldnt.
Shaq FT and lack of shooting range is what makes me not put him in tiop 5 centers.
The reason I listed Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan were they changed the rules of the game for these guys, so they would not dominate as much.
Shaq FT and lack of shooting range is what makes me not put him in tiop 5 centers.
The reason I listed Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan were they changed the rules of the game for these guys, so they would not dominate as much.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:22 am to SabiDojo
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Think about the era. The NBA today isn't even recognizable by comparison.
Exactly. Even then Shaq was a much more efficient scorer. Wilt just shot a shite ton of shots. Also everyone give shaq shite for his poor free throw shooting but no one ever say anything about wilt and he has a worse career percentage.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:22 am to ZTiger87
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Wilt dominated more than any other player. Kareem dominated and had a long career.
Shaq would've been better than both in their eras.
Kareem could score better, but thats all he's got on Shaq.
Shaq played in an era with other dominant centers and he was still ridiculously dominant. 3 Finals MVPs in a row. They invented the hack-a-shaq to attempt to slow him down. He was just unstoppable. His stat lines in the playoffs for the LAkers were just outrageous for the center heavy era of the NBA.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:23 am to LSUZombie
shaq and Duncan are not the third and fifth best players of all time
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:24 am to sms151t
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The reason I listed Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan were they changed the rules of the game for these guys, so they would not dominate as much.
And Shaq played within those rules his entire career instead of a portion of it...and still dominated.
Wilt was a TERRIBLE shooter too. People seem to forget that. And the average height of his opponent had to be 6 inches shorter than Shaq's.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:24 am to sms151t
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But you cant as Shaq would have not been same player as things evolved
what does that even mean? His size and brute strength would haven't gone away. He would have absolutely mauled the NBA during those years when they had no other big men.
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Shaq FT and lack of shooting range is what makes me not put him in tiop 5 centers.
Wilt and Russell were terrible foul shooters too.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:24 am to sms151t
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But you cant as Shaq would have not been same player as things evolved.
That's not the point. The question is who was better, not who did better against their competition. Line Kareem at his best up against Shaq and tell me honestly that you'd take Kareem. You can't.
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Shaq FT and lack of shooting range is what makes me not put him in tiop 5 centers
OK Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:25 am to sms151t
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Shaq FT and lack of shooting range is what makes me not put him in tiop 5 centers.
The reason I listed Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan were they changed the rules of the game for these guys, so they would not dominate as much.
case in point
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:26 am to Boomtown
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How many titles did Shaq win before Kobe? The argument is always used against Kobe but never against Shaq.
The frick are you talking about? Kobe was nothing those first couple of titles. That was all Shaq. Period.
And who uses that against Kobe? He won 2 without Shaq...
ETA: correction, my bad
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:26 am to TheCaterpillar
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He won 3 without Shaq...
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:26 am to SabiDojo
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Btw, it is:
1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Who cares
gotta have kareem in there
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:27 am to Boomtown
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How many titles did Shaq win before Kobe? The argument is always used against Kobe but never against Shaq.
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How many Finals MVP's did Kobe get when Shaq was a Laker?
And boom goes the dynamite
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:28 am to Lester Earl
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Imagine Shaq in either era.
Was just about to post this.
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