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Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:26 pm to 50_Tiger
Isn’t he nba crushing the tv ratings better than ever before?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:32 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Is NBA player mobility hurting the league?
1. It's been happening for decades.
2. If a super team is formed in Los Angeles, it will 100% be good for the league.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Don't forget the best part, no draft either.
Hard Cap
No max contracts.
Problem solved.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:36 pm to floridatigah
quote:Isn't it 4 years?
Teams have up to 8 years of control over their drafted players, that's more than enough
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:43 pm to shel311
quote:it would be huge. If weren't going to have super teams, might as well have 3-5
a super team is formed in Los Angeles, it will 100% be good for the league.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
Wrong. 31 large is a shite ton of money dude.
Right. No one has ever signed endorsement deals worth over 30 million
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:59 pm to GeauxHouston
quote:31 million for endorsements and commercials?
He could probably make that money up with outside LA market money that he would get for doing more commercials, etc.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:46 pm to WestlakeTiger
quote:
In Leonard's case, it's a difference of the 31 million dollars.
Hasn’t it been stated that the Spurs have not offered the DPE/Supermax to Kawhi?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:28 pm to 50_Tiger
Player mobility never hurts any league, but when its limited to just a few teams simply because of market, it becomes stale after a while, more and more teams will tank if half of the noise goes through with certain guys. You will see more and more teams stocked with with overpriced washed out or overpaid guys that they took for even second round picks to fill cap and fill with G-league talent the rest of the way.
My suggestions:
1) Do away completely with max salaries, midlevel exception, all of that go strictly free market as it relates to anything other than the rookie deals. A lot easier for guys to team up sacrificing $2-5 million and win/compete for rings than if they are giving up $8-12 million a year.
2) Once the the league goes to 2 and done, expand the draft by a round, and add another 2 way contract so that its 3 for every team, level of play will rise quickly as two way guys that are second round and third round picks know they will make more than $35 or $40K a year and play in the league.
3) Create an international signing period much like the MLB with each team allotted a certain amount to sign the players for bonuses not what they will make, there contracts when they play their first NBA game will turn into a rookie deal, obviously penalties for teams signing over and such. By the 2 and done rule in effect every franchise will have a sole G-League affiliate. The level of play will rise dramatically and benches will become much deeper.
*Edit International prospects that are of age to play in the NBA would go into the regular draft.
4) Teams can poach other teams two-way guys but they must forfeit the same round of the guy they poach was selected in, and they must sign them to an NBA contract and the team the two-way is currently on can match or decline, but the team that poaches said player must not only forfeit the same round pick but pay the other team the average salary of the contract for one year, this fee does not count against the cap.
5) No limits on contract years, if somebody wants to pay Lebron $50 million a year for 12 years that may sound crazy but in reality the league would quickly become much more competitive.
6) After the playoffs are set (Top 16 teams regardless of record) the lottery teams make a basically a tanking bracket, the 16 non playoff teams will play a single elimination tournament, they are playing for lottery balls but its added revenue and would give an NCAA tournament feel as well deter tanking. So in the hypo the first 8 teams eliminated all would have equally the 8 worst odds.
7) Still have conferences, add two teams, but seed teams according to record regardless of conference.
With no max salaries, quality deep depth will open up as options to combat super teams because it will be possible, guys like Solomon Hill making $12 million or Evan Turner making $17 million no longer happen because small market non-FA destination teams will have much more options and not be forced to swing wildly.
Instead of draft and stash and leaving guys overseas for 2-3-4 years, which currently is the right move, with an international pipeline fans in the US could have watched Luka develop since he was 17 or 16 whichever team got him. G-League would become watchable even for casual NBA fans much like minor league baseball even more so because guys in basketball would be moved up so much faster. Also international signees would not be eligible to play in an NBA game until there third year in the G-league system. High school US guys can do the same but must wait till there third year as well, would allow for a high school kid to graduate early and basically be a one and done.
Salary cap stays the same rises (hopefully never falls) based off of total revenue including G-League numbers included. No hard cap but same rules teams can go over the cap to sign free agents where they have there bird rights. Make luxury tax penalties much steeper as well as luxury teams having penalties assigned to the international money pool.
Big market teams can still outspend but small market teams that build pipelines and lock in 8-9 solid contributors have an avenue to compete.
My suggestions:
1) Do away completely with max salaries, midlevel exception, all of that go strictly free market as it relates to anything other than the rookie deals. A lot easier for guys to team up sacrificing $2-5 million and win/compete for rings than if they are giving up $8-12 million a year.
2) Once the the league goes to 2 and done, expand the draft by a round, and add another 2 way contract so that its 3 for every team, level of play will rise quickly as two way guys that are second round and third round picks know they will make more than $35 or $40K a year and play in the league.
3) Create an international signing period much like the MLB with each team allotted a certain amount to sign the players for bonuses not what they will make, there contracts when they play their first NBA game will turn into a rookie deal, obviously penalties for teams signing over and such. By the 2 and done rule in effect every franchise will have a sole G-League affiliate. The level of play will rise dramatically and benches will become much deeper.
*Edit International prospects that are of age to play in the NBA would go into the regular draft.
4) Teams can poach other teams two-way guys but they must forfeit the same round of the guy they poach was selected in, and they must sign them to an NBA contract and the team the two-way is currently on can match or decline, but the team that poaches said player must not only forfeit the same round pick but pay the other team the average salary of the contract for one year, this fee does not count against the cap.
5) No limits on contract years, if somebody wants to pay Lebron $50 million a year for 12 years that may sound crazy but in reality the league would quickly become much more competitive.
6) After the playoffs are set (Top 16 teams regardless of record) the lottery teams make a basically a tanking bracket, the 16 non playoff teams will play a single elimination tournament, they are playing for lottery balls but its added revenue and would give an NCAA tournament feel as well deter tanking. So in the hypo the first 8 teams eliminated all would have equally the 8 worst odds.
7) Still have conferences, add two teams, but seed teams according to record regardless of conference.
With no max salaries, quality deep depth will open up as options to combat super teams because it will be possible, guys like Solomon Hill making $12 million or Evan Turner making $17 million no longer happen because small market non-FA destination teams will have much more options and not be forced to swing wildly.
Instead of draft and stash and leaving guys overseas for 2-3-4 years, which currently is the right move, with an international pipeline fans in the US could have watched Luka develop since he was 17 or 16 whichever team got him. G-League would become watchable even for casual NBA fans much like minor league baseball even more so because guys in basketball would be moved up so much faster. Also international signees would not be eligible to play in an NBA game until there third year in the G-league system. High school US guys can do the same but must wait till there third year as well, would allow for a high school kid to graduate early and basically be a one and done.
Salary cap stays the same rises (hopefully never falls) based off of total revenue including G-League numbers included. No hard cap but same rules teams can go over the cap to sign free agents where they have there bird rights. Make luxury tax penalties much steeper as well as luxury teams having penalties assigned to the international money pool.
Big market teams can still outspend but small market teams that build pipelines and lock in 8-9 solid contributors have an avenue to compete.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 1:21 am
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:54 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
The problem is that a league with 30 teams, 90% of the teams have no shot at the title, when the season starts.
It's almost always been like that.
Someone point me to this era when we had different champions every year and the league thrived.
The NBA's coming out party, the 80s, had either the Lakers or Celtics in the Finals every year.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:29 am to Goldrush25
quote:
The problem is that a league with 30 teams, 90% of the teams have no shot at the title, when the season starts.
quote:
It's almost always been like that.
It definitely has but now IMO the teams in the 70% to 90% range that are not one of the best 3 or 4 teams are questioning to blow it up because with modern medicine and they way guys take care of there bodies the same 4-5 man super core could dominate for 8-10 years with pay cuts and teams willing to pay.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:54 am to shel311
quote:
Isn't it 4 years?
Realistically it is about 7-8 years for most franchises.
Any first round draft pick if they have not already signed an extension after year 4 becomes a RFA so the team can match any deal so any potential superstar or even star will be locked in for atleast 7 years because
A) Some team will offer them 4 a year offer sheet the player wants, and no team will let them walk so they match if the invested a high pick. End of third year is when the player has leverage and can begin to pressure franchise to move them to a team of there choice.
B) Sign an extension in year 3 of rookie deal for security in case of injury, if you know the team will match anything why not sign and get it over with.
C) The only possible way a high draft pick could leave any sooner is to ricks taking a qualifying offer which is only slightly higher than what they made in year 4, so for that 5th year qualifying offer route just use Kyrie's situation had he refused to sign any and all offers in
Year 5: $14.7 M Year 5: $8.5 qualifying offer
However after playing on a QO they are unrestrictd free agents. Not only is it guranteed on QO they will make much much less, they are taking a huge risk with injury and at any time could be traded.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 3:07 am to CoastTrashTiger
quote:
It definitely has but now IMO the teams in the 70% to 90% range that are not one of the best 3 or 4 teams are questioning to blow it up because with modern medicine and they way guys take care of there bodies the same 4-5 man super core could dominate for 8-10 years with pay cuts and teams willing to pay.
This is true.
The league hasn’t had an era of major parity. But shite, we are damn near at a point where the regular season in the West is irrelevant, and the East as well with Lebron.
As soon as post Jordan era hit, it was open.
-1999 saw a lockout, a first time champion in SA, and a 8-seed win the East.
-2000 saw the defending champ out in round 1, due in part to injury, a champion in LA for the first time in over a decade, and a first time East champ.
-2001. Lakers were beast, but until they demolished SA in the West Finals, I think it was assumed it would be competitive. Philly and Milwaukee and newcomers battling for the East.
-2002: Lakers fatigue setting in, but an out of nowhere East champ in New Jersey. We also saw the rise of the Kings.
-2003: Lakers unseated, Spurs and newcomer Dallas battle for West.
-2004: Pistons seemingly out of nowhere for a title, including upset of Lakers. Timberwolves finally break out in playoffs.
-2005: Spurs back on top, but Suns all of a sudden an offensive power.
-2006: Two first timers in NBA Finals
-2007: first timer in Cleveland, birth of King James in Finals
-2008: Boston super team wins. Lakers back as a finalist and title contender
-2009: Orlando breaks through, Nuggets to West Finals
Fact is: things weren’t AS predictable during this stretch. You had dominant teams in LA and SA, but others had their share in the Finals. Cleveland, Dallas, NJ, Indiana, Philly, New York, Orlando. You even had other winners with Detroit and Miami.
You aren’t seeing this now.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 5:29 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Is NBA player mobility hurting the league?
Yes.
LeBron started it and KD finished off the league.
The Celtics were built through the front office and the pre-KD Warriors were built through the draft.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:26 am to 50_Tiger
There should be a franchise tag option.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:53 am to Breadstick Gun
The lakers and Celtics have dominated the nba forever with super teams
Why is the way they were created material in anyway to the fans?
Why is the way they were created material in anyway to the fans?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 1:04 pm to WestlakeTiger
quote:It's not as if he's guaranteed not ever earn it. He can still get it; it's just not guaranteed. And it's not 31 after taxes and paying agent and other handlers. If you had all that money, you'd probably be willing to sacrifice some to be happy, wouldn't you? What's the point of wealth if you have to play for that pos coach? Leonard's already got a championship.
In Leonard's case, it's a difference of the 31 million dollars.
That's alot of fricking money. I'd keep my arse in SA for an extra 31 million.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Why is the way they were created material in anyway to the fans?
BC a lot of the people on this board are anti-free agency and anti-player like a bunch of double-drags, its really laughable. It's TOTALLY FINE TO THEM when GMs construct super teams through trades and the draft, but when players collaborate and do it through the free market and free agency, its tantamount to the world caving in, its completely ridiculous and un-American when you think about it.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:19 pm to GeauxHouston
quote:
He could probably make that money up with outside LA market money that he would get for doing more commercials, etc.
Between the difference in taxation and 31M dollars I’d say no shot.
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