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re: Is Jacob deGrom a lock for the hall of fame?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
How long will it take him to get to 2,000 innings, though?
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Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:38 pm to NukemVol
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He pitched more than Billy Wagner. If relievers are let in, you can justify starters with short but dominant careers.
This is some dumb shite right here
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Why?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Three outs are three outs. And you have to do it over multiple turns through the lineup. If anything the gap in worth between relievers and starters isn’t seen as big enough.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:42 pm to NukemVol
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Three outs are three outs.
There’s data boys that actually believe this
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If anything the gap in worth between relievers and starters isn’t seen as big enough.
I don’t disagree with this
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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His numbers aren’t “deceiving” like you tried to say. His numbers are his numbers. When he plays, he’s awesome, but he doesn’t play. That’s extraordinarily clear
He is about to pass Koufax in WAR, widely regarded as the best LHP ever, despite pitching 800 less innings (equates to 4 full modern seasons worth of pitching).
I’m assuming you understand how WAR is accumulated, huh ?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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I’m assuming you understand how WAR is accumulated, huh ?
Yes, but I also think the nerds put too much stock in it
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I would lean yes, since he was so clearly the best pitcher in baseball at this peak. At his best, I think he was arguably the most unhittable pitcher in MLB history.
That said, I get the arguments about durability and missed time and wouldn’t argue too hard against that side
That said, I get the arguments about durability and missed time and wouldn’t argue too hard against that side
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/5/25 at 1:36 pm to NukemVol
quote:theyre different roles… we’re not pretending the first three outs and the last three outs are the same
If relievers are let in, you can justify starters with short but dominant careers.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 2:19 pm to chalmetteowl
The difference in those outs is less than what starters have to manage. Going through a lineup three times is harder. Not being setup based on lefty/righty matchups is harder. Sitting through long innings is harder. I don’t see any reason to give closers some bump because they get cool walkout music and some fans yelling.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 2:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Yes, but I also think the nerds put too much stock in it
It’s used in some capacity to negotiate contracts & for HOF voting, amongst other things. It’s well past the stage of just being a nerd stat
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:51 pm to Paul Allen
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Fastest to 1,800 strikeouts in MLB history.
Skeens will pass him up in no time
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:53 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s used in some capacity to negotiate contracts & for HOF voting, amongst other things. It’s well past the stage of just being a nerd stat
I understand, way too much so
You are smart for understanding WAR
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:25 am to Lester Earl
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It’s well past the stage of just being a nerd stat
Only nerds can explain how a player accumulates WAR though
Posted on 8/6/25 at 2:42 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:It’s not the Hall of Available
Which is not very often… the entire point
Let It Go
Posted on 8/6/25 at 9:58 am to RemouladeSawce
Too many people on this thread are factoring in his injuries.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 10:03 am to RemouladeSawce
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It’s not the Hall of Available
It actually is. Being available, typically for a long time is the most fundamental of the criteria
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