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re: Is Jacob deGrom a lock for the hall of fame?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:54 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:54 am to Paul Allen
Framber Valdez gets in before degrom
And framber aint getting in
And framber aint getting in
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Posted on 8/5/25 at 8:25 am to Paul Allen
No
Posted on 8/5/25 at 8:32 am to RemouladeSawce
Three years, 104 innings.
Put him in the Hall.
Put him in the Hall.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:10 am to Lester Earl
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but also played In an era with just 20MLB teams
I never bought that when talking league-leading stats, there are just more shitty players now than before.
Also you keep bouncing between comping him for his "peak" and his total body of work. He gets out "peaked" by guys like Sandy, but then you can't say his total body of work is better than a peak guy like Sandy.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:24 am to barry
I haven’t said anything about his peak Barry. Just that his broken up seasons make him a different type of case. Even in shortened seasons, has been completely dominant. And when you condense them all, his rate stats look really good. They arent prejudiced to his injury.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:33 am to Lester Earl
He's a great pitcher. He's just not out there enough to make a difference.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:37 am to Lester Earl
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DeGrom is one of the GOATs when you take his condensed stretch & compare it to others.
Is this not his peak?
What do you mean by condensed stretch? His career numbers?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:45 am to Lester Earl
With the way starting pitching and injuries have trended and continue to, there’s going to be a lot more DeGroms. Maybe not as extreme as him, but the traditional career counting stat barriers are going to be less relevant for like a generation of starting pitchers when it comes to the hall. It will be interesting to see how they handle it
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:50 am to barry
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What do you mean by condensed stretch? His career numbers?
His injured seasons, condensed
Like if 2020-2022 were 1 season
8.6 WAR
224 IP
352 K’s
2.05 ERA
198 ERA +
.73 Whip
Koufax never had a season where his ERA+ was over 190.
All I’m saying is the injured seasons make De Grom’s numbers deceiving.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:18 am to Lester Earl
Only four seasons with 30+ starts
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:27 am to RemouladeSawce
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Which isn’t a thing as much as it was in the past, hence why the metric is being increasingly discarded
All those innings the top guys aren’t pitching dont help their team… like seriously would you rather have DeGrom or some other dude out there if DeGrom has a so-called hall of fame case?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:36 am to RemouladeSawce
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That said, his WAR/162 is better than all of them (7th all-time). If you normalize volume
Too bad you can’t “normalize volume” because he can’t stay on the field. The best ability truly is availability. It’s cool that’s he’s great when he plays… but he doesn’t play
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:38 am to Lester Earl
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All I’m saying is the injured seasons make De Grom’s numbers deceiving.
This is so fricking stupid. The dude can’t play end of story
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The dude can’t play end of sto
He’s played well enough when he does play that his body of work puts him in the discussion.
If he gets to 2000 innings he’s going to be a shoe-in.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:06 pm to Lester Earl
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He’s played well enough when he does play that his body of work puts him in the discussion.
Which is not very often… the entire point
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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the entire point
Entire point of what? You haven’t made a point
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Entire point of what? You haven’t made a point
He’s not a hall of famer. I didn’t think I had to spell it like I would a 3rd grader and for that, Mingo regrets the error
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:27 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Jumping in the thread to say he gets hurt a lot wasn’t exactly ground breaking, mingy. I apologize if I thought maybe you had more to say
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Jumping in the thread to say he gets hurt a lot wasn’t exactly ground breaking, mingy.
I’m arguing against the “normalized volume” bullshite people are trying to use.
His numbers aren’t “deceiving” like you tried to say. His numbers are his numbers. When he plays, he’s awesome, but he doesn’t play. That’s extraordinarily clear
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 8/5/25 at 12:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
He pitched more than Billy Wagner. If relievers are let in, you can justify starters with short but dominant careers.
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