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re: If Tiger had an ounce of integrity he would DQ himself from the Masters

Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:38 am to
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6915 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:38 am to
The tables are turned as Tiger is now the one who is screwed. If he plays and wins, he actually loses because throughout history the victory will be questioned. If he withdraws, he obviously can't win another major.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:40 am to
quote:

The tables are turned as Tiger is now the one who is screwed. If he plays and wins, he actually loses because throughout history the victory will be questioned.
disagree.

If he wins a Major, he wins a Major.

What people are saying is irrelevant.
Posted by macatak911
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2007
11110 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:43 am to
Everyone being like they told him at the scoring table he was ok is ignoring one thing....

They didn't have tiger's statements regarding his drop.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:44 am to
so wait let me get this right

tiger fricks up

tiger gets assessed a 2-stroke penalty, which is the punishment for the error

now, people want tiger to withdraw?

he was already punished
Posted by macatak911
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2007
11110 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:46 am to
Punishment for signing an incorrect scorecard is DQ.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465806 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:47 am to
was he assessed the penalty after he turned in the scorecard?
Posted by swamie
Where opportunity meets hard work
Member since Jan 2007
27253 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Punishment for signing an incorrect scorecard is DQ.


But not if you sign it unknowing of it being incorrect, so...
Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
6595 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
The question is not whether he should have been penalized or not. The question is whether he should have been DQ'd. The new rule was put into place to address a situation like this. You don't have to agree with the rule but it's the rule and they followed it.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
I am disappointed with the way the Masters have handled this and with the way Tiger has handled this .. I am done with watching this event this year .. See you in 2014
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
quote:

tiger fricks up

tiger gets assessed a 2-stroke penalty, which is the punishment for the error

now, people want tiger to withdraw?

Different interpretation and ruling of an older rule kept him from being DQ'd. People think that this ruling happened just because it was Tiger.
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10398 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
I'm confused as to how he thought changing the angle of the shot would be legal? I just started golfing so I know almost no rules but shouldn't it be obvious that what he did was illegal?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
83692 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
quote:

Punishment for signing an incorrect scorecard is DQ.


He signed the correct scorecard as stated by the rules committee at the time of the end of his round....
Posted by dgtiger3
Prairieville
Member since Sep 2005
5703 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:48 am to
But but but....
The integrity of the game????

All these posters would without a doubt withdraw if they found themselves in this same situation. Why shouldn't Tiger?

:rollseyes:
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:49 am to
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But not if you sign it unknowing of it being incorrect, so...

The problem is that he knew he dropped it two yards back, per his interview.
Posted by macatak911
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2007
11110 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:50 am to
quote:

But not if you sign it unknowing of it being incorrect, so...


False.

It's waived if you shouldn't or couldn't reasonably know you had violated a rule.

Common examples include a double hit or slightly grounding your club in the sand in the bunker...both picked up on super slo mo HDTV.

Ignorance of where to drop a ball after a hazard shouldn't be a valid excuse. That's not why Rule 33 was changed to its current state.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:50 am to
Dude, call the PGA immediately. There's been penalties assesed by fans seeing fouls on TV and alerting the PGA before.

frick Tiger.
Posted by macatak911
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2007
11110 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:51 am to
quote:

He signed the correct scorecard as stated by the rules committee at the time of the end of his round.


Not knowing what tiger, the golfer himself, knew
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
9355 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:52 am to
quote:

so wait let me get this right

tiger fricks up

tiger gets assessed a 2-stroke penalty, which is the punishment for the error

now, people want tiger to withdraw?

he was already punished

Why would golf make a rule to protect someone who intentionally manipulated a rule for an advantage...

The rule makes more sense to protect those who unknowingly broke a rule not seeking an advantage but was seen after the fact...

Tiger admitted he broke the rule to seek an advantage.
Posted by hehateme2285
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2007
5292 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:53 am to
They changed the rule for fouls called in by viewers, that the player and officials were not aware of at the time they signed the card.

He got dinged 2 shots. If he wins, it's a deserved win
Posted by macatak911
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2007
11110 posts
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:53 am to
The examples to rule 33 list some examples....the examples are all based on things super slo mo HDTV pick up that a golfer in real time couldn't have known.

Where you drop a ball is not one of those.
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