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re: Ichiro is the best lead off hitter of all time

Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by 4x4tiger
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:13 pm to
Rod Carew
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:17 pm to
Henderson is a better offensive player than Rose even before accounting for his baserunning.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:23 pm to
learn something new everyday.

I didn't realize how little Ichiro walked. I assumed he would have easily been a .400 OBP guy given his batting averages, but even if you isolate his numbers to his first 10 years in the league, he only had a .365-.370 average OBP.
Posted by lsu xman
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:24 pm to
Rickey was on the juice IMO.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:59 pm to
Rickey was the best at getting on base and the best at doing something once he was there.

GOAT lead-off.

ETA:

And I love Ichiro. Damn shame he didn't have his entire career in the MLB.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Henderson .401 career obp%

Ichiro.355

Ichiro had one season of .400 or above OBP

Henderson maintained that number over a 25 year career



Doesn't Rickey hold the record for most lead off homers?
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:05 pm to
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slapping singles is not the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time, especially when the real greatest leadoff hitter of all-time would be on fricking 2nd base instead of 1st with no outs either by a double or a steal. Everyone who watched the game, minus Bill James tards, knows this.


I assume you are talking about Rickey? And if so, are you contending that Bill James and analytically inclined folks wouldn’t value Rickey?

Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:07 pm to
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I didn't realize how little Ichiro walked. I assumed he would have easily been a .400 OBP guy given his batting averages,


Should've been. His ego wouldn't let him walk.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:12 pm to
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Lou Brock was the greatest but now I am the greatest”


“Today, I consider myself the greatest of all time.”
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:17 pm to
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Rod Carew


Got mad hits
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:18 pm to
Not sure it was ego. I think it was just more of a slashing style that he brought over from Japan. Guy was elite at putting the bat on the ball & had like 3.6 speed home to first
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:24 pm to
Ichiro was said to have had some legendary BP by teammates with hitting homers in practice.
I remember some players wanting him in the Homerun Derby and saying he would be the favorite among players.
I don’t have evidence to back that up but I’m sure there is a link or two somewhere quoting teammates. But I absolutely 100% remember hearing players say that.

Ichiro and Homers

Ichiro at age 42
quote:

The all-time HR Career Record king Barry Bonds had this to say about Ichiro Suzuki in 2016: If Ichiro were in the home run derby this year, he would win it.


This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 3:29 pm
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:30 pm to
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a few weeks into Henderson’s stint with the Mariners, he walked up to Olerud at the batting cage and asked him why he wore a batting helmet in the field. Olerud explained that he had an aneurysm at nine years old and he wore the helmet for protection. Legend goes that Henderson said, “Yeah, I used to play with a guy that had the same thing.” Legend also goes that Olerud said, “That was me, Rickey.” Henderson played with Olerud on the Blue Jays and the Mets.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:32 pm to
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In the early 1980s, the Oakland A’s accounting department was freaking out. The books were off $1 million. After an investigation, it was determined Rickey was the reason why. The GM asked him about a $1 million bonus he had received and Rickey said instead of cashing it, he framed it and hung it on a wall at his house.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:34 pm to
Classic Ricky.......lol.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 3:45 pm to
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Classic Ricky.......lol.


I know right?
Posted by nobigdeal69
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:16 pm to
Lol. I know very little about Rickey Henderson, but judging from these post it seems he is a selfish, conceited dumbass. That about right?

These stories are ridiculous. He talks in third person?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:19 pm to
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he is a selfish, conceited dumbass. That about right?

Well yeah. He was a pro baseball player.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:27 pm to
But he was a GREAT baseball player. Back then I bet if you asked any GM who they wanted as their leadoff hitter they would all say Ricky.
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