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re: How many games would an elite high school all star team win in the MLB?

Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:11 am to
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:11 am to
They would for sure win a few. Think of Strasburg and Harper on that team along with Trout
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:25 am to
I agree with everything you're saying, I still think they could win a game or two... Were you one of the 25 best players in the country out of high school? Serious question bc I dk. But some guys develop faster than others. Bryce Harper, Mike Trout, J Hey, COULD have played in the bigs right out of high school, granted they would've done terrible and probably would have hurt them in the long run. But the talent is there, they would have good games here and there. All you need is for them to get a hold of one with a guy or two on base and you have runs. Everything would have to come together perfectly but it could happen, and over 162 games I think or would. It's not that I think baseball is centered around luck or anything. Just there are so many games and after 100 games they would start to grasp it somewhat and squeak out a win
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 7:26 am
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:29 am to
They would have hit under .200 out of high school
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:35 am to
Lol at people in here arguing with a major league pitcher

Bunch of nonsense in here

No way in hell the best HS players sniff a win against major leaguers
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:36 am to
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They would have hit under .200 out of high school

I agree but under .200 is still getting on base 1-2 times out of 10, you just need a few guys to have good games on the same day
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:43 am to
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Think of Strasburg and Harper on that team along with Trout


What the frick. Strasburg is what? 24 now? Harper and Trout are 20 and 21. You need to think of these kids at age 17 and 18. And even then these guys weren't all in the same high school class. We aren't even talking about someone like Alex Bregman. We are talking about HIGH SCHOOL KIDS!!!

ETA: Wait do we really have an MLB player posting here? And he's letting some of you know how dumb y'all are and y'all are still arguing with him? Hahahahahahahahaha. Yea he's probably got terrible perspective on this discussion.
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 7:46 am
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:46 am to
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Think of Strasburg and Harper on that team along with Trout

None of these are in high school the last time I checked.

This really isn't even debatable.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32694 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:47 am to
Well technically I wa talking about the next class of draftees from high school, so most of them are 18 by now. Maybe I'm crazy, I agree with everything y'all are saying about how they would get dominated, and the talent difference is ridiculous, but I still think over 162 games they win 1 or 2
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:48 am to
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Message Posted by UltimateHog You are way off base.


This funny. You just told a mlb pitcher hes off base. Holy shite, thats awesome.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:49 am to
Your argument is like saying I know a 200 pound MMA fighter would dominate a toddler in a fight , but what IF they fought 162 times. The toddler is bound to win ONE!!!

It's a shitty argument
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:55 am to
I just don't see it. Maybe if games were 2 or 3 innings long they would have a chance.
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:05 am to
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people don't realize that a once in a decade pitcher still isn't ready to throw to major leaguers. In a year or two he will be, but not right away. So even that kid would show flashes of brilliance (not enough to sustain 9 innings) and then would have to not regress seeing as he'd still be getting his teeth kicked in all season long.


Doc Gooden was ready to throw to major leaguers as a senior in HS. He was drafted, he tore up minor leaguers for a year, and then the next year (at age 19) he got second in the cy young.

If you think that Doc Gooden at age 18 is getting his teeth kicked in all season while Doc Gooden at age 19 is an All-Star, then that tells me all I need to know.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:06 am to
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Your argument is like saying I know a 200 pound MMA fighter would dominate a toddler in a fight , but what IF they fought 162 times. The toddler is bound to win ONE!!!

It's a shitty argument


No, you just made a shitty argument. Specifically, you made a shitty strawman argument.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:08 am to
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at age 19 (still a year removed from HS mind you) he pitched 3 frickING INNINGS in the majors (because he wasn't good enough to be there yet).

Which tells you what you need to know.

But in those 3 measly innings he gave up 5 hits and 5 earned runs with three walks.

Two years later (now he's THREE years removed from HS) he won SIX games (and that's with an actual major league team around him. Now if anyone else wants to go scrounge up who would've been the team to surround him in 65 I'd love to see their stats from the next few years.

You guys just don't seem to grasp how large the jump really is. Stupidly talented people make the jump faster because they have the ability. However, it's still there. So without a chance to season themselves or learn a bit, they'd have absolutely no chance.


How did Doc Gooden do at age 19?
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:08 am to
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Posted by bobbyray21 quote: people don't realize that a once in a decade pitcher still isn't ready to throw to major leaguers. In a year or two he will be, but not right away. So even that kid would show flashes of brilliance (not enough to sustain 9 innings) and then would have to not regress seeing as he'd still be getting his teeth kicked in all season long. Doc Gooden was ready to throw to major leaguers as a senior in HS. He was drafted, he tore up minor leaguers for a year, and then the next year (at age 19) he got second in the cy young. If you think that Doc Gooden at age 18 is getting his teeth kicked in all season while Doc Gooden at age 19 is an All-Star, then that tells me all I need to know.


Dude, you should stick to tennis. You do realize that doc gooden was surrounded by mlb players at 19, not other hs schoolers.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:12 am to
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Dude, you should stick to tennis. You do realize that doc gooden was surrounded by mlb players at 19, not other hs schoolers.


Yes, he was pitching to MLB hitters, and striking them out.

Thank you for bolstering my point.
Posted by LasVegasTiger
Idaho
Member since Apr 2008
8372 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:16 am to
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but the best pitcher will still be able to pitch a few shutouts over the course of a season.


Some of the best MLB pitchers don't even get a complete game shutout in a season.
Posted by CunningLinguist
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2006
19079 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:20 am to
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Lol at people in here arguing with a major league pitcher


No shite. This thread is an early leader for the Dumbest MSB thread of the year. It is only shocking Verlanderbeast or PJ is not involved
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:21 am to
I love threads like these.

This is basically asking how would the best college football team fare against the worst NFL team.
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10573 posts
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:22 am to
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How did Doc Gooden do at age 19?


Can you please stop looking at a once in a lifetime player from over 20 years ago? shite, even that once in a lifetime player had to spend some time in the minors out of high school because he wasn't totally ready for the majors.

You do realize that Gooden would only be able to make 33 of the 162 starts? You do realize that he wouldn't be able to go 9 innings a start? You do realize that he would have a high school defense behind him making errors? You do realize that even if he was throwing a shutout, the MLB pitcher would also be breezing through a lineup of highschoolers?

So maybe the high school team could win if the greatest high school pitcher ever threw the best game of his life, while his defense had the best game of their lives, while the opposing MLB pitcher had the worst game of his life. Maybe.
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